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chuBuBBawuB

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Preflop I never cap in this spot. Flop I think he follows through a lot on this board so I delay. Turn isn't great but I still think I am way ahead of his range and can get value from lots worse so I follow through with c/r. Once 3-bet I don't think he has much worse for value or that he would semibluff, as we have no history and he hasn't done anything crazy I've seen, so I fold. This line is really exploitable if I often take it I guess but against some guy I have no reads on is it ok/terrible?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1847110
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with K Club K Spade
4 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) Q Club 9 Diamond 4 Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4 BB) Q Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds

Final Pot: 8 BB
BB wins 7.68 BB
(Rake: $0.64)

Posted 10 months ago

sweetjazz3

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Been a loooooong time since I played much LHE, but I like your general plan to check/raise the turn, but I think the turn card is bad enough to consider just check/calling down. Unless you think he is going to just monkey bet/calldown with AHeartTHeart on the turn or something, you're not doing great against his continuing range (you beat some pocket pairs, but his range probably doesn't have a lot of 9x or 4x hands, so you really need to bank on him calling down with his A highs to get value). Your equity edge is thin and it really makes it hard for your opponent to thin value bet you if you can show up c/c'ing 3 streets with KK here. Another relevant fact is that you have some equity versus almost all of his range, not enough to profitably call the turn 3bet getting 8.7-to-1, but its a shame not realizing that equity.

Posted 10 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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I would say that he also calls turn with any diamond he happens to have so we can get value from a fair bit more than you mentioned. But overall I think I might tend to agree with you that we probably don't have a huge equity edge against his range and since we can't be certain he doesn't spazz 3-bet some combo draws c/c seems slightly better. Also if a diamond falls on the river it's pretty gross.

Posted 10 months ago

BigBadBabar

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you underrepped your hand and it's bvb, so i would tend to get to showdown. i prefer a flop checkraise though.

Posted 10 months ago

DeathDonkey

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Definitely prefer a flop CR on that board, no way you 100% peel that flop, and you can greedily set up a turn bet/ 3 bet. As played I would never fold, he does not know what you have.

Posted 10 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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OK, I might have been overly pessimistic, especially since my hand is very underrepped. I just don't typically expect someone to 3-bet combo draws or 9x there Any reasons why you prefer c/r on flop apart from being able to 3-bet turn? What flop textures do you tend to delay sometimes. More like Q62r / 832r ?

Posted 10 months ago

DeathDonkey

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Definitely 832, basically I ask myself "would I always peel here with the worst hand I might have still in my range?" and if so I delay. Note that this is against decent villains, against fish with good reads you might want to jam flop because they are spewy and not worry about balance at all.

Posted 10 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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Thanks for that then, I hadn't worked out that reasoning for myself.

Posted 10 months ago

SIide

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Basically agree with DD with C/R'ing the flop and why. Another thing is I think there are a reasonable amount of turn cards where villain might decide to check back part of his range like a 3rd Diamond, K/J/T. We are also probably semi-bluffing this flop a lot, where as we probably don't semi-bluff a flop like 832ran much, if ever.

As played, I call down. I've seem some aggressive rebluffs in this spot before because i think villain puts us on a 1 diamond hand often.

Posted 10 months ago




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