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chuBuBBawuB

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Preflop I never cap in this spot. Flop I think he follows through a lot on this board so I delay. Turn isn't great but I still think I am way ahead of his range and can get value from lots worse so I follow through with c/r. Once 3-bet I don't think he has much worse for value or that he would semibluff, as we have no history and he hasn't done anything crazy I've seen, so I fold. This line is really exploitable if I often take it I guess but against some guy I have no reads on is it ok/terrible?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1847110
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with K Club K Spade
4 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) Q Club 9 Diamond 4 Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4 BB) Q Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds

Final Pot: 8 BB
BB wins 7.68 BB
(Rake: $0.64)

Posted 10 months ago

sweetjazz3

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Been a loooooong time since I played much LHE, but I like your general plan to check/raise the turn, but I think the turn card is bad enough to consider just check/calling down. Unless you think he is going to just monkey bet/calldown with AHeartTHeart on the turn or something, you're not doing great against his continuing range (you beat some pocket pairs, but his range probably doesn't have a lot of 9x or 4x hands, so you really need to bank on him calling down with his A highs to get value). Your equity edge is thin and it really makes it hard for your opponent to thin value bet you if you can show up c/c'ing 3 streets with KK here. Another relevant fact is that you have some equity versus almost all of his range, not enough to profitably call the turn 3bet getting 8.7-to-1, but its a shame not realizing that equity.

Posted 10 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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I would say that he also calls turn with any diamond he happens to have so we can get value from a fair bit more than you mentioned. But overall I think I might tend to agree with you that we probably don't have a huge equity edge against his range and since we can't be certain he doesn't spazz 3-bet some combo draws c/c seems slightly better. Also if a diamond falls on the river it's pretty gross.

Posted 10 months ago

BigBadBabar

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you underrepped your hand and it's bvb, so i would tend to get to showdown. i prefer a flop checkraise though.

Posted 10 months ago

DeathDonkey

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Definitely prefer a flop CR on that board, no way you 100% peel that flop, and you can greedily set up a turn bet/ 3 bet. As played I would never fold, he does not know what you have.

Posted 10 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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OK, I might have been overly pessimistic, especially since my hand is very underrepped. I just don't typically expect someone to 3-bet combo draws or 9x there Any reasons why you prefer c/r on flop apart from being able to 3-bet turn? What flop textures do you tend to delay sometimes. More like Q62r / 832r ?

Posted 9 months ago

DeathDonkey

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Definitely 832, basically I ask myself "would I always peel here with the worst hand I might have still in my range?" and if so I delay. Note that this is against decent villains, against fish with good reads you might want to jam flop because they are spewy and not worry about balance at all.

Posted 9 months ago

chuBuBBawuB

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Thanks for that then, I hadn't worked out that reasoning for myself.

Posted 9 months ago

SIide

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Basically agree with DD with C/R'ing the flop and why. Another thing is I think there are a reasonable amount of turn cards where villain might decide to check back part of his range like a 3rd Diamond, K/J/T. We are also probably semi-bluffing this flop a lot, where as we probably don't semi-bluff a flop like 832ran much, if ever.

As played, I call down. I've seem some aggressive rebluffs in this spot before because i think villain puts us on a 1 diamond hand often.

Posted 9 months ago




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