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EP limper 36/12 over 147 hands
CO 16/13 6.7 3! over 9k hands
Sb 21/14 over 400


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Poker Stars, $2/$4 Limit Hold'em Cash, 10 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13587522

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A Jo
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, CO calls, SB calls, UTG calls




At the time i thought it was pretty close, but after running a few stoves it appears that my equity is quite poor.

Do you think these ranges are reasonable assumtions?
what equity should i have here to cap? >25%?

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
P1 = Hero
P2 = CO
P3 = SB
P4 = EP

Player 1: 20.797 % 18.237 % 5.589 % 76.174 % AJo
Player 2: 26.973 % 25.162 % 4.040 % 70.798 % 44+, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A9o+, KJo+
Player 3: 31.902 % 29.966 % 4.301 % 65.733 % TT-88, AQs-AJs, KQs, AQo
Player 4: 20.328 % 19.714 % 1.521 % 78.765 % 77-22, A9s-A2s, KTs-K7s, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, ATo-A9o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, JTo

Well first off, I just plugged your ranges into stove and you came in at 23.4% equity, not 20.8. Make sure you run monte carlo for these large problems and not simulate all to get accurate results.

A few impressions about your ranges, I think CO's range is too loose. I think a more accurate range is something like 66+,A8s+,KJs+,ATo+,KJo+I also think SB's range is too tight. I would estimate his range closer to TT-22,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs.I think EP limper's range is pretty good/accurate.

With those changes you still come in around 23.5% equity. I generally don't think I would cap here. We have great relative position on the 3-better and will get to C/R the field often when we hit a hand or if their is a bunch of action in front of us we can get out early when we miss. The one downside is if CO like's to check back the flop often when he misses.

Thanks for the feedback.

i can see CO 3-Betting a bit tighter, but the SB cold calling 22-77 KTs, QTs, JTs would be very loose and dont see 21/14 types calling with these hands. but you never know...

wrt the equity results, i just did them again and am getting different results for 2 different programs.

Stove AJo vs above ranges = 21.75%
Pokerstratey equilator = 20.79

The other players ranges are slightly different as well. both using monte carlo.

In a best case scenario, we have a slim equity edge over the field preflop. It's far more likely that we have an equity deficit, though.

Regardless of that, by capping we lose our ability to use relative position to our advantage postflop, and additionally, we force ourselves in a position where we are taking the initiative without the benefit of absolute position. Additionally, we over-represent our hand (which serves no benefit in a bloated multiway pot) with a hand that performs poorly multiway.

Honestly I think this cap is very bad based. LHE tends to be a game where you want to make the best decisions postflop, and marginally bad decisions preflop cause compounding errors - you've created a 17SB pot which ensures that no one will be folding on the flop and it's very likely going to end up multiway on the turn as well. This does not help you with AJo - it does when you have T9s. In this situation, you want your capping hands to be focused on pure equity and performance in multiway scenarios, neither of which AJo has.

Rob