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Looking back at this one I think I'd call the river the first time, just so I have a note on my opponent's capping range OTB. It's close, but I gain way too much information if he shows up with JTs, QJs, KQ, TT here in terms of how he plays them postflop (value betting thinly vs an apparent Ax hand). I think he expects us to call a ton, but some players just don't think enough about that and will bet with 99 or QTs just because they've had the lead the entire time. The value of information is enough in this spot that I think a call might be a more justifiable play than a fold.
Rob
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Nice vid guys. Good to hear some old voices again.
I'll have to re-watch but I think y'all did a good enough job explaining the tough spots and why/why not to proceed with certain lines.
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T9ss you guys had just finished analyzing this situation on the left hand table and then on the right hand table you went ahead and bet the turn anyway
I think it's a clear check/fold on the turn (unless you had the HUD going with some really solid stat of that he peels lots of flops and folds lots of turns or some such). I just don't see players calling this flop to fold this turn, whether it's with queen high, a small pair, or an ace or a king.
honestly i think even if i held a king here i'd check the turn.
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54cc i think given that we're at the very bottom of our range, and do have some equity plus some fold equity, that we should be semibluffing with this hand a ton of the time. whether you do it on the flop or the turn i'm not sure. but once you just c/c the flop and get to this turn, which doubleguts you, i think you just have to pull the trigger. not that we're necessarily relying on this, but the flop checkcall with a player left to act, and then the turn checkraise -- that line looks very strong/slowplayish and i think carries some fold equity with it. regardless, we can surely get him to fold some things without a showdown, and we'll get there some of the time, and the pot is reasonably sized.
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T9ss you guys had just finished analyzing this situation on the left hand table and then on the right hand table you went ahead and bet the turn anyway
I think it's a clear check/fold on the turn (unless you had the HUD going with some really solid stat of that he peels lots of flops and folds lots of turns or some such). I just don't see players calling this flop to fold this turn, whether it's with queen high, a small pair, or an ace or a king.
honestly i think even if i held a king here i'd check the turn.
I think I commented about that right afterward - I 100% agree that was an autopilot bet although we can be certain that this player isn't raising the turn so much. I'd continue to bet a K, and QQ-88 or so (bet-folding) but the rest of my hands I think check-folding is ok with there.
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54cc i think given that we're at the very bottom of our range, and do have some equity plus some fold equity, that we should be semibluffing with this hand a ton of the time. whether you do it on the flop or the turn i'm not sure. but once you just c/c the flop and get to this turn, which doubleguts you, i think you just have to pull the trigger. not that we're necessarily relying on this, but the flop checkcall with a player left to act, and then the turn checkraise -- that line looks very strong/slowplayish and i think carries some fold equity with it. regardless, we can surely get him to fold some things without a showdown, and we'll get there some of the time, and the pot is reasonably sized.
Looking at the board texture you're right in retrospect. There aren't enough draws we can have - I'd rather the turn be a non-
so it doesn't look like we could have picked up a flush draw, but we're really targeting thin value vs. KQ/KT, fold equity vs QJ/JT/QQ/TT, which is probably enough given potsize. If he raises more Axo UTG it's bad, but I think I was weighting his range too much toward Ax hands and not enough toward Jx/pocket pairs that beat us.
I'm not sure if you should checkraise and barrel though. Checkraise and check might be slightly better, would need to weight the range that we think call down vs. call and fold vs. fold immediately.
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QJ. We peeled thinking that if we made a pair on the turn, we'd have the best hand, but we don't check-raise. I thought check-raising here was pretty standard. We do have some semi-bluffs here so isn't that enough reason to check-raise and get called down by a worse hand? Or are we playing this more passively because the BTN capped preflop?
If we had three-bet preflop and the button called and the flop went Hero bets, Villain raises, Hero calls, we would've certainly check-raised the turn, right?
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