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Hey all

My question about this hand is due to the turn. K8s If usually the bottom of my range for a MP open raise, however this table was tight and I felt I would get folds behind If I opened. Only about the 12th hand at the table so nothing really note worthy so far.

Stats for SB are 34/6/5.3/1.1 (vpip/pfr/3b/agg) over a 47 hand sample (some of these stats are from a couple of months ago so may have changed his play)

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6players, pokerstars, .25/.5
dealt to hero K 7
1 fold, Hero bets 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop pot($1.50) A 8 3
SB checks, BB checks hero bets SB calls, BB folds

Turn (pot $2.00) K
Sb checks, hero bets SB raises Hero??

I think a bet fold on turn is correct I know sample size is small but stats point towards a tight passive player(calling station) wasnt sure what range to assign the SB but I choose 50% as this was the VPIP total in my HUD for the SB my equity improves to around 58% on the turn from 42% on the flop. Not sure If my ranges are good but very interested in opinions on this hand. After the villain calls the flop I only really think he is continuing with a FD or pair if I discount the other hands from his range I think its a clear fold. I bet the turn as I had improved and didnt want to given the villain infinity:1 to check his FD.

I disagree about villain's range once he calls the flop. I think bad players will call the flop bet with hands like K hi, Q hi, T9o with a diamond, etc.

If villain can be induced on the river to bluff, I think this is a fine hand to check back on the turn. Otherwise, I probably play it the same as you and Bet/Fold this turn. If villain calls the turn, we should probably consider value betting some rivers.

I disagree about villain's range once he calls the flop. I think bad players will call the flop bet with hands like K hi, Q hi, T9o with a diamond, etc.

Yes, but I don't think he's raising too many turns with those hands. Though that's probably not your main point. Yes loose passive players will surprise you with the stuff they call with!

If villain can be induced on the river to bluff, I think this is a fine hand to check back on the turn. Otherwise, I probably play it the same as you and Bet/Fold this turn. If villain calls the turn, we should probably consider value betting some rivers.

I agree with Mr. Slide here.

I don't think you should fold the turn here against a raise. You are often behind in this spot, but you have outs to improve and some decent implied odds (you can check/raise the river if you improve).
You only have a small sample of his play and without any notes I'd call the turn and most likely the river, too.

I don't think you should fold the turn here against a raise. You are often behind in this spot, but you have outs to improve and some decent implied odds (you can check/raise the river if you improve).
You only have a small sample of his play and without any notes I'd call the turn and most likely the river, too.

You're in position, so you can't checkraise the river. Each of your 5 outs needs to be discounted as your opponent is more weighted to having 2pr and sets when he's passive and checkraises the turn. You definitely should be folding to a turn raise here against a lot of players (probably most players) unless you have a read that dictates otherwise. Calling turn checkraises in spots like this is a leak.

Rob