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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is SB with 6 Q
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

A friend and I were having a discussion about this hand and we have a dispute about preflop. He actually plays limit and has a coach and such and i'm just going off of what I know from nolimit and such.

Villian is a loose passive opponent, raising 4% and 3betting 3.4% over 100hands. He is folding his BB 67% of the time.

I think his raise is fine, but I absolutely hate the calling of this 3bet. I think a lot of the time people could be bluff 3 betting but this guy is so passive I don't think he would. And even so I think he would call in position instead of 3betting. So i think he has a very strong range pre and I would fold. He says that because of the odds, 5:1 he is calling every time.

Opinions?

in limit holdem you don't want to be folding anything for one more bet in this spot preflop. even against a very strong range we have enough preflop equity (you can pokerstove it out if you want) and we have some implied odds postflop for that same reason (as well as some of the times we flop a pair vs his ace high, etc)

Never raise if you aren't prepared to call a 3bet from the bb. You will lose future equity when you don't flat his 3bet oop from the sb with an actual hand. Assume you are behind, take a flop and them decide. I don't see how it is ok to raise but not call one small bet when he defends.

For example, 2-4 limit, folds to hero in sb, he raises to 4, bb makes it 6 (10 in pot), you have 5-1 on your call. Assuming you miss amd check fold the flop, you earn a lot of future equity imo the next time you raise and the bb has trash because he is more likely to fold, less likely to play back, and more likely to flat and then fold to your flop c-bet.

Vs fold to 3-bet where future steals have less fold equity, and you are only saving 1 small bet overall. If his BB fold to SB steal is 67% (unclear if the 67% is overall fold or just SB fold) then I'm stealing with everything but complete trash,

LHE and NLHE have VERY different preflop standards. Raising and calling a 3-bet here is pretty much standard. There are two big factors:

1) 100 hands isn't that much, though it does tell you that your opponent has a tight range, it certainly can't be narrowed down to QQ+.

In NLHE, because of the escalating nature of the bets you'll face, you'd do best to fold this twice. In LHE, you get much better effective odds and won't have to be faced with difficult turn/river decisions very often, so raise-calling is fine.

Rob

Very simply, 5:1 pot odds plus very good knowledge of what villain holds (compared to him having very little knowledge of what we hold). We need 16ish % equity at 5:1...

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throw in a wider range at all and it isn't close. The other part that people have mentioned is the giant can of worms you open where someone might realize you are willing to fold getting such a great price, and if they react by 3 betting even a little bit more, you are lighting money on fire quickly.

You can fold pre if and only if his 3bet range is QQ+. But after 100 hands you most certainly can't know that. Being that it's bvb and his 3bet stat is an aggregate of all the hands it's more likely that he is 3betting wider than QQ+ here and hence folding would be a mistake.