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Herd this song today and reminded me of this Thread LOLs


http://youtu.be/bicN4ryVQSI

I guess it would be showing my age if I said it made me think of red balloons?

I'd better not then.

that was way over my head ^ explain the red balloons? lol Im only 24 so.

that was way over my head ^ explain the red balloons? lol Im only 24 so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4

ahh ok I've herd this before ^^^ thx

nad another
SB is 50/4/0.0/1 over 68hands
BB is 22/14/0/0.6 over 50hands
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 8
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) A 4 K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls

Turn: (4 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4 BB) Q (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls



After the BB calls the flop bet I am completely lost as what to do.

Let's start with some questions:

Why did you check the turn?
Why did you call the river?

Your actions are incongruous here, but it's important to understand why, rather than just have someone tell you what to do.

Rob

This is more of a general question - should we cap preflop in position, or out of position, or not at all, head's up preflop. The cap gives a lot of information away and if we are oop we can always raise the flop anyway. E.g:

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1791269
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps!, BTN calls

Flop: (9.4 SB) 2 3 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

Turn: (8.7 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero calls

River: (12.7 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 14.7 BB

I had less than ten hands with villain.

There are reasonable arguments for calling and capping, but as a default when I have a strong range and my range is expected to be strong, I cap more frequently. When my range is expected to be weaker, I cap less frequently, and balance by getting in more flop/turn action.

Once you cap preflop here, I'd probably check-call down from the turn. He's got more combos of AA and KK than he has JJ and AX, so a free card isn't going to happen that often, and you're behind more often than you are ahead.

I rarely forego the extra equity you get 3-ways by capping, but again, there can be very good arguments for it depending on your opponents. HU I think it's best to come up with a default that you can sensibly play as a "standard" (Slide prefers calling, I think DD does as well, both of these are approximations for balancing your range), then alter your play as circumstances dictate. I can easily see it becoming uncomfortable for someone to cap a lot preflop OOP, and if that's the case, I'd rather cap with nothing and balance my play that way. I'm ok with the arguments for capping preflop with a balanced portion of my entire range (not my entire range, but a balanced approximation of it), but it definitely feels like possible spew, and I'd really only be looking at doing this when I feel like someone is challenging me with light 3-bets.

Rob

However, sometimes, it's easy (by chance, style, the state of games) for your opponents to play very well and be constantly adjusting to your tendencies. When we readjust, we both arrive at something that resembles GTO play.

Are you sure that happens? Rather than the plays converging towards GTO, I think they might also start oscillating between maximally exploiting lines.

Like A bluffs too much, B starts to call with all his bluff catchers.
-> A stops bluffing altogether and valuebets extra thin, B starts folding all his bluff catchers.
-> A bluffs everything and valuebets really tight, B calls all his bluff catchers.

In case one of these players is looking to find the GTO line (instead of the maximally exploiting line) and the other player keeps adjusting correctly the lines should converge towards GTO I guess.

this is a spot i have trouble with...

Solid MP Opens, I flat 88 In BB. i never 3-bet BB Vs good players.

Flop 6s6s5c i c/r and get called. I will c/r for Value AQ+, Any pair, spades, OESD

Turn Ax, Kx, or Qx

what should i do with my whole range on this type of turn?

this is a spot i have trouble with...

Solid MP Opens, I flat 88 In BB. i never 3-bet BB Vs good players.

Flop 6s6s5c i c/r and get called. I will c/r for Value AQ+, Any pair, spades, OESD

Turn Ax, Kx, or Qx

what should i do with my whole range on this type of turn?

Overall thoughts:

In general I'd be inclined to lessen some of my flop c/r range on a board with this texture and c/c and c/r the turn because you don't have that many pairs here and I think a lot of your range can profitably check-call two streets but not checkraise the flop.

As played I'd probably bet-fold on a Q/J, bet-call and decide depending on the river & texture on a A/K. Based on the way you describe your flop play it sounds like your check-call range on the flop is almost purely weak speculative calls and weak showdown hands which makes his decisions pretty easy if you just call, and it also means that your flop c/r range (depending on the specific turn card) will be pretty heavily weighted toward draws and hands that can't show down without improvement, so I'd probably bet-call down on those specific turn cards.

Rob