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2 Questions which matter, if you're not going for a GTO-type solution to how to play these hands. Let's start there.

1) What do you know about your opponent?
2) What do you think he expects you to do on this river, given your flop and turn lines? What does your hand look like?

I think these situations (redhot mentioned it) are definitely leveling wars against strong regs. I think a GTO approach in these situations (where you know your opponent is good enough to bluff, but is not going to be bluffing an absurd amount) is definitely the best.

I think these situations (redhot mentioned it) are definitely leveling wars against strong regs. I think a GTO approach in these situations (where you know your opponent is good enough to bluff, but is not going to be bluffing an absurd amount) is definitely the best.

I agree that having a GTO-based solution is great here, but I think that it's important to be able to think through and understand the best way to analyze this from an exploitative perspective as well

While the games at $5/10 are unquestionably tougher than they were in the past, the best way to make money in them is still to play exploitatively. Learn as much as you can about every reg in the field, and use their tendencies against them. If you can't think exploitatively and only understand how to approximate GTO solutions, it's likely that you will be leaving some money on the table.

All that said - both approaches are important. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you approximate GTO solutions for hand like this.

Rob

Too general but playing small to mid PP postflop,
HU small to mid PP V aggresive villian
HU small to mid PP V passive villain
MW small to mid PP V aggressive villian
MW small to mid PP V passive villian.

I realise that alot more depends on this question - board texture, pot size, postion V villains position. I will post some hands later when back on the PC.

2 Questions which matter, if you're not going for a GTO-type solution to how to play these hands. Let's start there.

1) What do you know about your opponent?
2) What do you think he expects you to do on this river, given your flop and turn lines? What does your hand look like?

Sorry I've been a bit slow on the uptake here. I've been busy looking at the forums for other variants.

I have stats 30/22/64 here where 64 is aggression percentage. I have the note 'losing player' which isn't a huge help but suggests he isn't the sort of reg that is going to take me to the cleaners.

I think my line looks like ace high, and he likely expects me to call it on the river. If he is thinking. In this situation it can't really be overcards with a draw or anything like that. On this rainbow flop he can expect me to be semibluffing an OESD.

I have looked a bit at game theory and I think there is a case for that here. Its not so easy to work out where you are on the fly, though - at least for me.

To be honest, the games on Stars have been terrible the last couple of months. Even 2/4 its not guaranteed to find good spots - and over the last couple of years I have been beating 2/4 for over 2.5BB/100. Go back a few months and it was like every 2/4 table was a winning proposition. I suppose I am still beating 2/4 but its close. I don't mean to be negative, but to address the subject of the thread - my main concern at the moment is not how to improve at limit, but which other variant to switch to.

Too general but playing small to mid PP postflop,
HU small to mid PP V aggresive villian
HU small to mid PP V passive villain
MW small to mid PP V aggressive villian
MW small to mid PP V passive villian.

I realise that alot more depends on this question - board texture, pot size, postion V villains position. I will post some hands later when back on the PC.

HJ is 69/20/20.8/2.2 over 49 hands (vpip/pfr/3b/agg)
SB is 86/14/14.3/1.5 over 14 hands


Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) A 6 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero folds

Turn: (4 BB) T (2 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, SB calls

River: (6 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, [color=red]UTG bets[/

here is an example of a hand.
My thought process here is pot is 3way on the flop, the board is two tone and drawy. The pot currently has 8small bets. However I am not happy to see the river UI and I think its time to give up on this hand.
I am not sure if I am using stove correctly but I get a 41.62% equity onn the flop - so should I call?

nad another
SB is 50/4/0.0/1 over 68hands
BB is 22/14/0/0.6 over 50hands
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 8
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) A 4 K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls

Turn: (4 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4 BB) Q (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls



After the BB calls the flop bet I am completely lost as what to do.

They look like the same hand.....

They look like the same hand.....

sorry had a moment, hand was updated shortly afte your reply

I agree that having a GTO-based solution is great here, but I think that it's important to be able to think through and understand the best way to analyze this from an exploitative perspective as well

While the games at $5/10 are unquestionably tougher than they were in the past, the best way to make money in them is still to play exploitatively. Learn as much as you can about every reg in the field, and use their tendencies against them. If you can't think exploitatively and only understand how to approximate GTO solutions, it's likely that you will be leaving some money on the table.

All that said - both approaches are important. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you approximate GTO solutions for hand like this.


Rob

I agree with you that exploitative play is definitely best. However, sometimes, it's easy (by chance, style, the state of games) for your opponents to play very well and be constantly adjusting to your tendencies. When we readjust, we both arrive at something that resembles GTO play. When that happens, we should be looking at how to approximate it in our heads against good players.

I think that river play in hu BB vs button spots where the action is c/call, c/call, c/decide is the easiest application for GTO play. It's not terribly hard to do, nor is it terribly hard to approximate in your head on the fly, and the situation comes up frequently in LHE, especially as you move up in stakes where more pots are contested HU in blind vs. blind spots against good aggressive players.

With all that said, I made my last short on exactly the hand RedHot posted to further elaborate and show how I would go ahead and "solve" an approximate solution to this hand. Should be the next one out. Cheers.

Herd this song today and reminded me of this Thread LOLs


http://youtu.be/bicN4ryVQSI

Herd this song today and reminded me of this Thread LOLs


http://youtu.be/bicN4ryVQSI

I guess it would be showing my age if I said it made me think of red balloons?

I'd better not then.

that was way over my head ^ explain the red balloons? lol Im only 24 so.

that was way over my head ^ explain the red balloons? lol Im only 24 so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4

ahh ok I've herd this before ^^^ thx

nad another
SB is 50/4/0.0/1 over 68hands
BB is 22/14/0/0.6 over 50hands
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 8
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) A 4 K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls

Turn: (4 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4 BB) Q (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls



After the BB calls the flop bet I am completely lost as what to do.

Let's start with some questions:

Why did you check the turn?
Why did you call the river?

Your actions are incongruous here, but it's important to understand why, rather than just have someone tell you what to do.

Rob