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3) This has already been said, but I think checking the turn planning to give up UI is perfectly sound plan also, but without knowing your villain it is probably too hard to say if it is the best possible line. However, remember point 2, so if you are planning to check the turn to give up you should do the same for pretty much all weaker hand (maybe except if you have a card lower than 5, because then you can't improve enough)

If you think betting the turn with T8 is good (ie at least better than checking and giving up), you should not be unhappy to bet Q8 also.
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In short, with Q8 you don't want to give up, yet the hand is not good enough to bluff catch, so you bet.

If I'm betting T8, it's a clear bluff with a hand that has less showdown value than a Q. T8 merits a lot from getting Q-highs to fold. Q8, not so much.
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This is where the main difference is.... I just think Q8 is good enough to bluff catch or win just often enough unimproved. It's going to be close though, and depends on your ranges... if you're checking back a ton of pairs on this turn, then Q8 is likely a give-up hand (but I still don't see the merit in betting it as it's too good to bluff). Also, it should be remembered that if the villain doesn't bluff enough, then NO hand is good as a bluff catcher.

If anyone is interested enough to come up with a range and action plan for villain (turn and river), I guess this might make a nice CREV excersise. Other than that, we may have to agree to disagree.

WOW, been off the forums for about a week due to busy life. hat a great response to a hand.I think I ill have ot re-read and think about it or a while.

Thanks Guys

I think given your CO open and that board, he is calling you down with A high a lot of the time. The turn may have even picked him up a flush draw so you need to decide on the turn if you really want to barrel because with Ax or a flush draw he's going to check back the river as well when he misse. At that point on the river if he checks, Q high is going to be good against his missed flush draws, and A high is still probably calling off so I think you need to decide if a river bet can make A high fold based on the player type and your image. If you think it's close I would just check back the river.

Edit: I also don't see much reason to C-bet this flop as you are really only getting money in against a hand that is probably 50/50 with yours, he has enough to call your raise preflop, he isn't folding to a C-bet on a K K 5 board. I would check and plan to barrel the turn.

I think given your CO open and that board, he is calling you down with A high a lot of the time. The turn may have even picked him up a flush draw so you need to decide on the turn if you really want to barrel because with Ax or a flush draw he's going to check back the river as well when he misse. At that point on the river if he checks, Q high is going to be good against his missed flush draws, and A high is still probably calling off so I think you need to decide if a river bet can make A high fold based on the player type and your image. If you think it's close I would just check back the river.

Edit: I also don't see much reason to C-bet this flop as you are really only getting money in against a hand that is probably 50/50 with yours, he has enough to call your raise preflop, he isn't folding to a C-bet on a K K 5 board. I would check and plan to barrel the turn.

arjunt1,

Just checking, but you know this is a LHE hand, right? Lots of hands will check-fold this flop, but there's also some hands that are worse than ours that will call. C-betting this flop is the standard (and good) play.

Rob

arjunt1,

Just checking, but you know this is a LHE hand, right? Lots of hands will check-fold this flop, but there's also some hands that are worse than ours that will call. C-betting this flop is the standard (and good) play.

Rob

You are correct, the BB defending really means nothing. Although against a good player who is never folding to a standard c-bet I often get check raised on this type of flop and led into on the turn where I can't call when I could just check the flop, and bet fold the turn much easier.