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Live 4/8. I had been playing solid and aggressively the entire session. Villain was an older nitty Asian lady, probably playing like 25/3, who I had beaten in several pots where I showed down the best hand having her slightly outkicked, and she had folded her BB to a couple of my open raises. I’ve seen Villain make some aggressive post flop plays, actually making raises and betting the turn when improving, etc. CO was playing even tighter/nitty-er and not gotten involved with me (as you’ll see from his turn action).

Preflop: 1 Fold, Villain limps EP, 2 folds, CO limps,BTN Hero Calls A 8, SB folds, BB checks. (4 small bets)

Flop: T T 4 BB checks, Villain checks, CO checks, Hero checks. (4 small bets)

Turn: 8 BB checks, Villain Bets, CO calls,Hero Raises?!, BB folds, Villain Calls, CO folds. (7 big bets)

Am I Ok raising here expecting to have the best hand and folding to a 3-bet? I also didn’t want the BB binking a K/Q/J and winning the pot.

River: Q Villain Checks, Hero?...

I would iso-raise this preflop.

As played, I'm not quite sure on the flop how much respect they give you, i.e. how call-stationy they are on the flop. Iirc, people call quite wide and peel even without odds live, so not sure if you could take a stab on it on the flop. It's a way of clearing out 6-outers and valuebetting at the same time.

As played, based on the read that villain can get quite aggro postflop, I'm fine with the turn raise.

On the river, I think it depends if she pays you off with things like 89 or 77. Again, I am not quite sure again with live play, but online I would b/f.

I would iso-raise this preflop.

You aren't really isolating anyone with a raise and we already have the btn, so I think the better question is whether there is just any pure equity value in a raise. My gut feeling is that we're probably better off allowing SB & BB in to the pot with garbagy hands at this point.

Hand seems fine so far and I would Bet/Fold Riv thinking villain can call you down with hands as weak as 4x here. I don't really expect villain to be making any big folds at this point.

You aren't really isolating anyone with a raise and we already have the btn, so I think the better question is whether there is just any pure equity value in a raise. My gut feeling is that we're probably better off allowing SB & BB in to the pot with garbagy hands at this point.

Why do you want SB+BB in the pot with garbagy hands?

I do believe there is pure equity value in a raise, coupled with the fact that we are in position it seems like a pretty easy raise

Why do you want SB+BB in the pot with garbagy hands?

I expect EP to have some AQ-AT type hands in her open limping range, so I don't think we make a ton of money when we make a 1 pair hand. Its not going to be tough to play our hand in position in a limped pot anyways. I also expect its probably tough to win at showdown UI even if both blinds fold if we raise. My feeling is we get more value when we over flush someone or over trips someone, which is why I don't mind encouraging more players at this point with hands like J8o, Q5hh, etc.

If both blinds are loose and will call an extra bet anyways, we can just go ahead and raise for value.

Definitely raise preflop, multiway type hand, fine in a bloated pot in position, we will maneuver better than opponents, basically I see almost no downside. Would have bet flop probably, turn raise was fine, river I think is a bet but its kinda close since she might fold some of the hands we hope to get called by.

Thanks for the feedback guys. And girl

Hmm, I didn't expect the pre-flop discussion, but it's interesting. I would have raised ATs for value in a heart beat. These 4/8 games get pretty nitty sometimes and I try to be conscious of our rake--it's $1 automatically from the SB for the BBJ regardless of whether there is a flop or not, then $2 at $10, $2 more at $30 and another $1 for the BBJ. Yeah, a total of $6. Does that affect the pre-flop decision? (lol, besides obviously trying to quickly get to $8/16)

Anyway, I checked the river, and I was shown Q 9. Looking back I was surprised she bet the turn, but I guess she even realized what a big draw it was. At the time I figured she might have been betting 8x. When another high card rolled off I didn't think she would have called with worse (not that it makes any sense, but I'm guessing this is how she thinks). I wasn't trying to make a free showdown raise (which I get the feeling aren't good?), it just worked out this way when the Q came. I would like to think I would have bet any T or lower. Or is that too nitty myself?

Definitely raise preflop...Would have bet flop probably...

Yeah, the decision not to bet on the flop was due to the lack of a preflop raise. DD, as played still would have bet the flop?

I would like to think I would have bet any T or lower.

Definitely bet a Ko River, she's not going to have very many Kx in her Bet/Call Turn range on this board given how the hand played out.

Definitely bet a Ko River, she's not going to have very many Kx in her Bet/Call Turn range on this board given how the hand played out.

Is that just because Q/J/9 hit so many more straight draw combos? And the most likely Kx combos are Kx of 's? [Well, and K4's and K8's obv]

Yeah, basically you can't have a straight draw with a K in your hand on this board. Also, if villain is limping hands as weak as K4s in EP, she's probably running more like a 40/5, then a 25/5 which definitely makes a preflop raise a lot easier.