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SB is 78/0/.4 thru 27 hands. I think the stats speak for themselves.

What do you do on this river? If you raise, what do you do if you get 3bet?

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1115416
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (5 SB) 2 Q 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

Turn: (3.5 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

River: (5.5 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero...

I would just call.

You could also go for a bet/fold. I think if we raise and he 3bets its a clear fold. Villian is so passive that he has the nuts when he puts in a raise here. Although over 28 hands the stats dont mean that much.

I'd say I raise here as a default, and call a 3bet since this guy could easily play a AQ or a random spaz bluff trying to rep a flush like this. I think folding to a 3b is a pretty big mistake getting 11-1 based on 20 hands of postflop play. We know little about how he plays flops, very little about how he plays turns, and practically nothing at all about how he plays rivers.

I'd say I raise here as a default, and call a 3bet since this guy could easily play a AQ or a random spaz bluff trying to rep a flush like this. I think folding to a 3b is a pretty big mistake getting 11-1 based on 20 hands of postflop play. We know little about how he plays flops, very little about how he plays turns, and practically nothing at all about how he plays rivers.

I think putting 3 bets in here would be super spew. And I don't want to raise/fold since we have an overpair vs a bad unknown player. So I feel like that just leaves calling.

Interesting spot - my sample size isn't big enough, but I just filtered for x/c x/c donk lines from villains in headsup pots and am seeing a healthy mix of flopped TP hands, a few flopped BP/MP type hands and rivered 2p+ hands, with one or two B/F's from villain (missed draw imo). As such, I'm really not willing to put villain on 2p+ only. I am willing to agree that we are never happy when we get 3b.

I think I agree with a call now as a default, but I think we have to call the 3b if we do raise. If the flop were 2J6 and river was a Q, I think we have a clear raise/call though.

Yeah I'm not saying we're always behind by any means - just that our raise opens up the possibility of a villain 3bet and then the villain is crushing us.

Yeah I'm not saying we're always behind by any means - just that our raise opens up the possibility of a villain 3bet and then the villain is crushing us.

But if you're confident in knowing that (and I would be against a 70/0), then raise/fold is clearly the line, it's just that you don't want to fold kings vs a fish.

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I think a call or bet/fold are both okay here. Knowing myself though, I would err more on the side of caution and just call. Might be losing some thin value against a fish but he could also have us crushed here with ATC.

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But they're sooooo pretty.

Agree that against typical opponents, they are not putting in 3 bets with one pair, hence if we raise, we need to fold against 3bet.

I think putting 3 bets in here would be super spew. And I don't want to raise/fold since we have an overpair vs a bad unknown player. So I feel like that just leaves calling.

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Yeah I'm not saying we're always behind by any means - just that our raise opens up the possibility of a villain 3bet and then the villain is crushing us.

Ok so what's the bottom of your river raising range?

Ok so what's the bottom of your river raising range?

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I would probably raise because I see these types of players donk rivers when they really do not know what to do and are sometimes pressing check or bet almost randomly.

I am expecting to see some type of a pair that he bets thinking you might check behind. And also expecting some sort of A2 or even ace high that he doesn't know whether to bluff with or call or whatever. The thing is when he bets these weak/marginal/decent holdings he still can't release his hand because bet-fold is an unfamiliar concept for him.

That being said he does recognize the 3-flush on the board and if he still 3-bets I snap fold.

Here is a very typical example of the play I explained in the previous post and why I like to raise the kings, too.

The guy is similarly 74/2/0.3

These guys donk left and right and call raises.
Sometimes they triple donk: donk every street and call a raise.
Missing tons of value if we are too passive on rivers.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1117306
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls

Flop: (9 SB) 8 9 6 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (6 BB) T (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, SB calls

River: (10 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls

Final Pot: 14 BB
SB mucks 4 9
Hero shows 7 7 (a straight, Six to Ten)
Hero wins 13.5 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

I would probably raise because I see these types of players donk rivers when they really do not know what to do and are sometimes pressing check or bet almost randomly.

I know what you are saying, but don't you agree that until you gathered that read, flat calling is better? Not all 70something/0 do play the river the same.
The upside of just calling is also that you get to see his hand.