DeathDonkey
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He will bluff with all his draws on the river and if I raise the turn he will check/fold unimproved, so I win the same amount vs those hands but lose more when he has me beat. I also want to encourage him to fire 3 barrels as I am very comfortable calling down lightly vs those type of players. I generally don't like to say this but I think the results show my play had a lot of merit
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Posted about 5 years ago
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muscleandmoney420
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Hypnotic
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PygmyHero
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Hey Chris, I have a question about a hand at ~35:00. You have Q3o OTB and the board is 4J62r. You raised PF, he called and he check/called the flop. You elected to check back the turn, river a 5, and put in a raise. What was your plan if the river bricked off and villain bet into you? In my mind your Q high has some SD value, but nothing to write home about.
At this point in the match the dynamic was pretty well established - you were beating him pretty badly and he was generally spewing (especially firing 3 barrel bluffs UI in pretty hopeless spots). But he hadn't had much of a chance to take the lead in situations where you relinquished it or he was OOP.
Part of the reason I'm asking is because I think this situation seems somewhat analogous to deciding to check back UI Ax hands on the turn and facing an almost inevitable river bet.
Posted over 4 years ago
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DeathDonkey
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Well I don't think its quite analagous simply because the amount of king and ace high hands he could hold is non trivial. I strongly try to emphasize relative hand values, and your hand reading here is very decent, realizing that queen high has potential SD value against villain described, but at the end of the day, it will be a mistake against all but the spewiest or most predictable villains to get to showdown with more than a certain amount of non paired hands. What that amount is is debateable but one way we can certainly achieve a decent balance is just by using our own absolute hand strength (for instance just saying "ok any ten high or worse I'm just going to fold due to the unlikeliness the hand is good vs any range and to give me some hands that I am simply betting once and then giving up with unimproved). Here I think this weak queen high is close to qualifying for similar status.
It's really hard to say so much later without the benefit of the "flow", but I think folding the river unimproved in this one is not unreasonable, the 2 is far from a brick on the turn given his flop peel, and his king high and ace high value bets or bluffs that I can't beat are significant too imo.
Posted over 4 years ago
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mikefut
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Pid Koker
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Years late to the party (and new to HUHU)...
What kinds of things are going through your head at the point where a tilted opponent starts to 3!/cap a lot more, and put in a lot more bets preflop with marginal holdings. What adjustments are you making, and how does this affect your preflop decisions?
Posted over 1 year ago
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liquid_quik
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hi Pid Koker:
basically if someone is going spew crazy you should also open up your game more. going into a shell will cause you to be run over. i would possibly tighten my preflop ranges to the mid 80s%, but not much tighter.. you just have to be willing to put in some action with lots of hands and know that you'e making better choices than him
Posted over 1 year ago
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