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With regards to betting the turn, the fact that we are in position means villain is more than likely going to give us a free showdown with his missed draw which he is is more likely to make a bluff on river since we show weekness on turn.
If we check the turn and he bets the river do we call with K high? If we dont does this still make bet on turn + or -EV in the grand scheme of things.
I know the percentage of time we are up against a made hand on river rather than missed draw is going to be a lot higher say for arguments sake 90% made hand 10% draw.
If we check the turn the he is going to bet river 95%+ (estimate) with his made hands and 90%+(estimate) of time with his missed draw.
but if we bet the turn he bets river 40% of the time with his made hands (the amount of time he bets he is irrelevant since if we are not calling with K high we lose anyway) but he bluffs at river more like 5% of the time with his 10% of missed hands.
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BigBadBabar
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I think b/3b is way better because as we c/c turn no way he is putting us on 2pair anymore. If I'm in villain's shoes and see you donk I'm saying "Trips of Tens full" and raise
yeah agree, i think i talked myself around to it eventually; just the turn play threw me off
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Busting you
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Video was cool. I like the series so far , bbb's and pygmyhero's analysis was A+.
The 7s7d hand was tough , i surprised to hear pygmy say he would fold the Jh on the turn and Not the Qh. When he broke down "loose donker's" flop donking range i thought to myself that i shoulda folded the Qh turn. But since i called I have to call the river if it is a brick but, the Jh river was awful. I beat nothing on the river. As i said before the guy donked btm pair , middle pair , top pair , AIR, and draws before. sick bad spot imo. I had like 20 hands on him and he played 15/20 hands
I find that when i game create like this i run into a lot of wild player types, most of which are poor. I go into a defensive call down mode with my marginal pair type hands when i get donked into. This has been going well for me though so far ( game creating) , i just try and make my player reads as fast as i can with the information available.
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PygmyHero
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If we check the turn and he bets the river do we call with K high? If we dont does this still make bet on turn + or -EV in the grand scheme of things.
I don't think it's a terrible option. Keep in mind that we have the nut king high here and that people don't very often value bet A high. In other words, it may be more accurate to speak about our relative hand strength as virtually the nut no pair than K high.
Also, I would discount A high quite heavily from a donker's range.
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numbnuts007
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Hey guise,
Love the format, got some super cool, very candid analysis. Can't wait to see future episodes. Thanks alot for looking at a couple of my hands. re: said hands:
AQ: yeah, i'm a sissy. I need to bet the turn.
T7s: I'm not entirely convinced about checking behind the river. It's so easy to fold to a river raise, that i think we can try and squeeze some value out of a 6, worse 7, small pocket pair, or even a strong K high, all of which are very much in his range. If he calls and we lose, it's only to a better 7 or an lol9. If he raises it's an instamuck. Seems like he calls with worse >50% and when he raises, it basically the same result as when he calls with a 9.
I obviously don't think checking behind is bad, I just don't think the river is a super easy check behind. So whatdya think? Did i sway you at all?
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I wanted to state something about BBB's play which may be so obvious that it goes overlooked. His relaxed, have fun, but still agressive style has got to be a good one. raising for massive justice, catching dudes stealing cookies, collecting peanuts, etc. This is a great frame of mind to play poker in, and it is something I hope to emulate. good job elephant.
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