Boomer
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And Nina's head just blew up at the fact you were good here 
Touching on something I've been seeing and you mentioning I have seen creeping into small stakes games recently has been just straight up bad aggression. Things like turning A-high into a bluff on the flop, free showdown raising and forgetting you're supposed to raise/fold and paying off 4 bets instad of 2, turning SD value into a bluff, bluffing into 4 people in a limped pot with no pair no draw etc.
Do you think it could just be an "I don't know what to do so I'm going to bet" reaction?
Obviously that's good for the winrate, being against these players, as well but it can certainly be frustrating at time when you make a thin calldown and someone makes one of these terrible "no bluff, no value" bets and you end up looking like a melon for calling or you end up outlevelling yourself when you try to head read.
Strikes me a bit of sometimes people trying to play well but not quite getting why they're doing these theoretical plays (not to bag on you but "just calling in the BB" is one of the biggest") and just decide to randomly go aggro.
Obviously others just have a big red USB button with "BET" written on it...hey can anyone design one of those? You're a technical wiz right?
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casaubon
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Touching on something I've been seeing and you mentioning I have seen creeping into small stakes games recently has been just straight up bad aggression. Things like turning A-high into a bluff on the flop, free showdown raising and forgetting you're supposed to raise/fold and paying off 4 bets instad of 2, turning SD value into a bluff, bluffing into 4 people in a limped pot with no pair no draw etc.
Do you think it could just be an "I don't know what to do so I'm going to bet" reaction?
My suspicion is more that the thought is "aggression is good, pairs are good, top pair is good, jam!"
I've only been back playing for a couple thousand hands at .5/1, but I've got a bunch of guys already noted as "cannot use the call button." I saw one in particular cap third set and top and bottom pair on the river, both against me. Both times they ended up getting thin value, because that's how I roll, but when I thought about my range and stoved it after, they're really towning themselves hard.
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slycebu
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This video is fantastic, felt like it was tailor made for my needs, thank you. Gave me some great insights into why I'm NOT beating $.5/$1 - I was sure I wasn't recognizing good value opportunities, and now I see some of the spots I'm missing. 
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BigBadBabar
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Nice vid. I would've capped the trip queens against that maniac after seeing all the crazy hands she'd previously played, and I was rooting for you to get all streets capped the second time vs her with the 33.
I think overall one of the main things that jumped out to me was that there was a lot of passivity, sure, but there was also a fair bit of aggression but for the most part it was very (to use a Nina term) caveman-like and silly. For example that one guy with taggy-seeming stats seemed to donk/fold basically every hand.
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Distajo
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i play w/ these guys a lot, and one of the biggest leaks i can identify is poor value betting skills, especially against people who are afraid of being checkraised.
I don't really understand you're reasoning for peeling that 43q flop w/ AJ. He has a queen there all the time, plus, his hand could easily be AQ leaving you w/ two pair issues. There is still AKQ of hearts out there, and i feel saying that you have the jack of hearts is very maginal in this sitaution. I like a fold to a flop donk a lot better in this spot. Also, the fact that you are not closing the action turns me off from the flop peel.
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DeathDonkey
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i play w/ these guys a lot, and one of the biggest leaks i can identify is poor value betting skills, especially against people who are afraid of being checkraised.
I don't really understand you're reasoning for peeling that 43q flop w/ AJ. He has a queen there all the time, plus, his hand could easily be AQ leaving you w/ two pair issues. There is still AKQ of hearts out there, and i feel saying that you have the jack of hearts is very maginal in this sitaution. I like a fold to a flop donk a lot better in this spot. Also, the fact that you are not closing the action turns me off from the flop peel.
Just watched it again, you might be right that its a fold, but really at 13:1 it has to be close. If the blinds didn't tag along and bloat the pot, sure, we can fold, but I think we need to be optimistic that our Jack
is worth something, that our Ace is good sometimes, etc. When the pots are bloated its right to be an optimist!
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Distajo
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Just watched it again, you might be right that its a fold, but really at 13:1 it has to be close. If the blinds didn't tag along and bloat the pot, sure, we can fold, but I think we need to be optimistic that our Jack
is worth something, that our Ace is good sometimes, etc. When the pots are bloated its right to be an optimist!
i c what u r saying about having good odds to call. I think i just fold the flop mainly b/c i feel that this person's range is broadway heavy (thus affecting my Ace outs and i can pretty much rule out my jack being good)and i know that he's no dummy to be betting into 3 people w/o at least a flush draw. It's just a hard hand to play after the flop. My mentality is that I fold and move on to the next hand when i'm playing between 6-8 of these tables.
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Distajo
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i really like that you are going over your stats in your pokertracker. I play a 29.5/21.5 preflop style w/ good table selection and i get ragged on sometimes for being a nit. Supposedly on 2+2 the nut way to play is 33/25. I feel that if i was that loose and aggressive i would be a spewy player and get myself in too many marginal situations that i wouldn't be able to play correctly w/ my poor note taking and lack of reads.
a comment on FBBtoSTL, i like to keep it around 45-50% at these stakes b/c of two reasons: 1) more narrow ranges and ROI situations 2)rake. I won't always defend all suited hands, and i fold my ace rags against nitty co stealers (15%) b/c of ROI, which you will see a lot of at these stakes. And b/c rake is taken out of the pot when a flop is seen, i feel it's better to just fold, then 3 bet more liberally when i have position on the button against the player and barrel him of his hands.
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mikefut
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This vid just makes me really happy. It's exactly the type of vid that I signed up for years ago. Good to see DC killing it on the LHE content. I play a bit higher now, but still got a ton out of DD playing micros. Thanks guys.
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