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ThierryHenry
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I like it. The board is so peelable that your opponent will nearly always fire a second barrel. On the river it's a good card for him to fire a 3rd time if he has something like T9 or whatever. I think you have enough of a hand to showdown here.
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HLS2k6
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I think this is really well played. I assume you played this differently than you would other 7s because of your high card strength?
Also, this is a river mediocre and bad players triple barrel thinking it will make opponents fold a pair (even though that never happens). Plus, bad players' ranges polarize on this river because they don't value bet well when the Ace hits.
Are you folding some other rivers? I definitely would vs. an unknown. Nice hand!
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HLS2k6
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we have about 40% equity on the river against a 45% BTN range if he just barrels off. This is about as easy as it gets to calldown K high.
In my experience, a lot of players at this level will fire 2 but not 3 barrels with their whole range, and those players' range narrows considerably when they bet the river. I think this particular river is an exception to that, though.
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nchabazam
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As you said, people will 3barrel this river.
I don't expect to have 40% equity when calling here, I'm not fist pumping, it's just to show that we beat so many Qx/Jx/Tx hands on this board we simply cannot fold except on maybe a J or Q river.
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I think there is merit to checkraising the flop to target better king high's to fold.
Do you think that will happen often enough to offset the times you valuetown yourself vs. Ace high or better? If so, do you also think the times that he folds a better king will be frequent enough to be more profitable than letting him barrel worse hands (which would also fold to your c/r & barrel line)?
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ThierryHenry
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Do you think that will happen often enough to offset the times you valuetown yourself vs. Ace high or better? If so, do you also think the times that he folds a better king will be frequent enough to be more profitable than letting him barrel worse hands (which would also fold to your c/r & barrel line)?
Those are good questions and I don't know the answer. I would think check/calling down is more +EV than going for the flop checkraise semibluff, but I think the checkraise and barrel line is +EV as well.
However I did plug this hand into razor comparing the 2 lines. It's actually showing it to be better to go for the checkraise. Now I very well could have screwed up the conditions, but am suprised by this.
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HLS2k6
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I think your instincts are correct and c/c is way better than c/r. A lot of players will get stubborn with A high on this board, and the best K hands very well might not fold, either. So a c/r is targeting a very narrow part of his range, some of which won't fold.
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NinaWilliams
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I think there is merit to checkraising the flop to target better king high's to fold.
I don't. The range of hands that you're trying to get to fold out is pretty narrow. Its also slightly better to have him put in a turn bet with some air hands than it is to have him fold them.
Hand is well played. You can fold the river vs the more straightforward players, but vs unknowns you need to call on the most polarizing card in the deck.
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I don't. The range of hands that you're trying to get to fold out is pretty narrow. Its also slightly better to have him put in a turn bet with some air hands than it is to have him fold them.
Hand is well played. You can fold the river vs the more straightforward players, but vs unknowns you need to call on the most polarizing card in the deck.
Do you assume ace high hands are calling down? I'm looking at this from the other side - if I were check raised on this flop, what sort of cards should make me fold my A2 on the turn or river....
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NinaWilliams
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Do you assume ace high hands are calling down? I'm looking at this from the other side - if I were check raised on this flop, what sort of cards should make me fold my A2 on the turn or river....
I think most ax hands are calling down. You might get some folds on a 2 and calls on a K, but a lot of the cards he's folding on hit us.
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