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leroy, from what i gather, ph thinks bbb is unprofessional and from reading his lady's blog, it sounds like she is accusing babar of feeding his students misleading information so that he can win all the money in lhe.

Unprofessional in what way, though? Not capitalizing the first word in a sentence in a "business" e-mail might be considered unprofessional, but wtf cares from a poker perspective? All the personal stuff from the blog, even if it's true (and I have no way of knowing not having met BBB in person), wtf cares about that either? Can he coach poker and does he conduct himself in that aspect of his life professionally? That's what I care about. And from everything I've seen, from his posting here and on 2+2, in his videos (which occasionally touch on the faintest edge of risque, but come nowhere close to any sort of line, IMO), and in his coaching, I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

As for telling students the wrong things, I can't think of another word for it other than preposterous, and for a couple of different reasons. 1) Afaik, he generally coaches students at least a few limits below him. Given how infrequently he's going to play with his students, if at all, what benefit is there in "keeping them down" or whatever. 2) By the time a student is ready to get coaching at the price level BBB charges, they're going to have a pretty good understanding of the game. Someone playing .10/.20 that doesn't know wtf they're doing isn't shelling out $100/hour. I find myself hard-pressed to think of some bit of coaching that anyone could give that would be both significantly wrong and at the same time, subtle enough that the student wouldn't ask or think to themselves, "wtf - that can't be right". Given the positive feedback in BBB's coaching thread (since deleted by himself afaik), I find it hard to believe this is even remotely true. If so, I'd like to hear some specific examples from PH and his wife. I doubt finding students of his to confirm the "incorrect" advice would be that difficult, if indeed it happened.

I havnt read the blog but if it does insinuate that Todd misleads his students then it is absolute garbage. I have been a steady student of his for a few years now and not only can I tell that he strives to be a great coach but he also truly cares how I am doing as a poker player and a person, something I havnt experienced from any other coach I've tried

All of this just doesn't make any sense to me. If BBB honestly created the account for only the $600 bonus and small advantage, why would PygmyHero be willing to risk his own reputation and relationships?

After reading Lysistrata's blog about this case, PygmyHero's stance starts to make whole lot of sense. If DC administration has not even replied to those accusations in a month and has tried to sweep everything under the rug, it makes me feel bad - I thought better from DC.

I think that coaching with intention of not giving your best - rather trying to just give enough for the student to pay as much as possible for coaching is very bad long term business practice. I could even say that it would be the next worst thing after doing Jason Ho's a coach could do and accusations should have been handled accordingly. Someone has really screwed up while handling this case.

Unlike the previous posters, I think that a coach can mislead his students in quite a few ways. If he's a likable guy, he can also get away with it and student just blaims his own stupidity afterwards. Just like doctors - the most likable doctors get sued the least for malpractice, not the most skillful.

I don't know BBB and can't know if the accusations are true. I just know that the accusations are very serious.

I think that the most unfortunate part of this whole thing is that almost everyone's opinions of both coaches involved has been at least slightly tarnished. We are also looking at the possibility of losing one, if not two of the best low stakes LHE content producers here on DC.

Some people seem to be rushing to judgment about both coaches involved let's try to keep a couple of things in mind.

1) Until somewhat recently multiaccounting, while against the T&C of most (if not all) poker sites was a somewhat benign practice engaged in by a lot of people.

2) PH outed himself in this thread, he easily could have sat back and said "Hahaha...take that JERK!!" without anyone (other than people behind the scenes) being any the wiser.

This really is a sad state of affairs given that one of the things I really have enjoyed about DC (no drama) is temporarily untrue. The whole situation hurts not only BBB, PH, and the higher ups here @ DC, but also the entire LHE community. It's essentially divided us into 3 camps "pro PH", "pro BBB", and "I don't care/reserving judgment"...and I think that is truly unfortunate.

The accusations are incredibly serious. But while I could tell you all day that I know them to be false having personally interacted with BBB, I think Leroy's logical look at it is even more convincing.

It's a BS accusation in the middle of a bunch of hateful attacks. It should take more than the bizarre recollection of some short conversation from a long time ago to crucify somebody.

The accusations are incredibly serious. But while I could tell you all day that I know them to be false having personally interacted with BBB, I think Leroy's logical look at it is even more convincing.

It's a BS accusation in the middle of a bunch of hateful attacks. It should take more than the bizarre recollection of some short conversation from a long time ago to crucify somebody.

That it happened is not in question as BBB has admitted it, etc. The extent/reasoning behind him doing it is (I suppose) still being explored as is the seriousness of it and what the ramifications should be.

lol i don't think gauss was attacking me, i haven't had a gin and tonic all weekend!

ya i was very much trying to create some levity, not a serious statement all. I have not idea what Krantz driks or if he does. He should, IMO, its good for you.

my only serious point was that this is a mistake, but not a murder guys. Suspend the guy for a few months and lets get on with life and crushing donks.

@Leroy2DaBeroy I am referring to the accusation that BBB has purposely misled students by feeding them false information. Obviously BBB has not admitted that. Just clarifying.

JtX said,

I think that coaching with intention of not giving your best - rather trying to just give enough for the student to pay as much as possible for coaching is very bad long term business practice....I don't know BBB and can't know if the accusations are true. I just know that the accusations are very serious.

I responded,

The accusations are incredibly serious. But while I could tell you all day that I know them to be false having personally interacted with BBB, I think Leroy's logical look at it is even more convincing.

It's a BS accusation in the middle of a bunch of hateful attacks. It should take more than the bizarre recollection of some short conversation from a long time ago to crucify somebody.

@Leroy2DaBeroy I am referring to the accusation that BBB has purposely misled students by feeding them false information. Obviously BBB has not admitted that. Just clarifying.

My bad. It certainly is a more serious offense than MA (at least this MA and IMO). FWIW, I think it's false, but I think I made that clear already.

FYI we are going to be locking this thread within the next few hours. A member put this to me very eloquently, I'll quote him:

PH has also had a good chance to go on the record about his side.

At this stage there are 30 voices and not really any more cohesion. The noise to signal ratio is going to continue to get worse. People's imaginations have already blown it up into Watergate.

Can I recommend you guys tie this thread off with a brief "Thanks for your thoughts everyone. DC will now take this investigation internally and we'll keep you updated as to what we decide."

So in a few hours we are going to lock and keep you guys in the loop!

With what I can gather from the information available, it seems to me that the MA issues were merely a conduit to open an investigation into BBB's professional behavior and conduct, and that more information will be coming to light. Again, this is just my opinion.

I find it disappointing the number of people who come out of the woodwork to post hateful personal remarks towards respected members of DC, who have no legitimate insight into the topic of this thread, BBB's violation of FTP's T&C.

I have no insight into this situation other than what is posted as public information, and I will reserve my judgment for when all of the facts are out (or in?). I just hope DC will be transparent throughout the entire process, and the community can get closure and all parties can move forward.

LOL @ watergate. geez this aint that big a deal. at least everybody has their health

I don't have much to add, but I just wanted to mention that I've coached several of BBB's students and have never got an indication that he was anything but ethical, which backs up my own experience.

It's sad to me that we're going to lose one, and possibly two, great LHE contributors. No matter what decision is reached I'm sure DC will do what is best for the site, their brand name, and the members.

So in a few hours we are going to lock and keep you guys in the loop!

Sounds good to me...now we can get back to discussing hands/strategies and allow you guys to do whatever is necessary to properly address this situation.

FWIW whoever wrote that email to Krantz is absolutely correct, thank you for thinking of suggesting that the thread be locked down and following through by telling Krantz.