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I am following this topic from the beginning:

I don't think there are a lot of topic that are getting that much response... meaning that our LHE community gives a lot of interest in their coaches,their integrity and the way they attack/are attacked by others.

I am following RatAttac in his reasoning.

In my opinion we, as LHEplayers, will see the downside of whole this story...which is just a multiaccount issue at the start but can lead into 2 different camps... proBBB or proPH and ending by losing 2 good players who make good vids for us (micro)limitplayers...

So, in a short text, The limitcontent (vids and topicanswers) will be going further down...and we, paying members, will be the dumbasses

So, in a short text, The limitcontent (vids and topicanswers) will be going further down...and we, paying members, will be the dumbasses

Rest assured, while this development has hampered our improvements in LHE content, we are already working toward solutions in the short term and long term.

So what your saying here is that PygmyHero did the right thing for the wrong reason (avreason that you're speculating on) and if he was friends with BBB he would have just plain done the wrong thing (once again speculating)?

OK I'm speculating, fine. That's why there's a "imo" in my post. Yes it's technically wrong that BBB had a second account, but IMO going after a former friend for personal reasons is just a shit thing to do. I think the fact that Pygmy knew about the second account well in advance is a total non-issue btw, he shouldn't get punished at all. I have nothing against Pygmy (never even spoke to the guy) but I think what he's done here is out of order, no matter how he justifies it.

What about Krantzs role in all of this? Sitting back, swilling gin and tonics, with his saucy and impertinant vocabulary. While Hero and BBB squabble and BBB liberates 600 from Howard Lederer. I say we appoint an independant prosecutor to take testimony and get to the bottom of this shit.

Which is to say, BBB pilfered from FT and some low stakes players before abandoning the scheme, BBB and Hero squabbled, thats it. Let relax guys. Believe me, this is not a tragic or even particularly ugly situation. We are healthy and priviledged to work playing the greatest game ever invented, lets relax and move on.

I think at this point it is imperative that DC asks all its coaches to reveal (internally) all their poker (including play money account) accounts and have a process to approve/be notified of any new account opening promptly.

Since the info is not needed to be public and it is so easy to report, any coach that violate this in the future should be removed without exception.

In my opinion we, as LHEplayers, will see the downside of whole this story...which is just a multiaccount issue at the start but can lead into 2 different camps... proBBB or proPH and ending by losing 2 good players who make good vids for us (micro)limitplayers...

So, in a short text, The limitcontent (vids and topicanswers) will be going further down...and we, paying members, will be the dumbasses

If either one is allowed to stay, but won't because the other is also allowed to stay, then the dumbasses would not be the LHE community

to PygmyHero:

re: not transferring money onto FTP to take shots


Sorry, didn't understand what you meant at first. I'm not sure if that idea didn't occur to me at all, or if I just decided not to do it. At the time it appealed to me to start with the just the $600 deposit and try and grind it up level by level, using bankroll management and without redepositing or funding the account in any other way. I'm sure there was some expectation on my part that I would be able to progress somewhat smoothly and quickly up the stakes -- potentially obviating those issues.

There's no evidence of any shots taken because I didn't take any shots. I roughly broke even at .5/1 and 1/2 for a couple months before abandoning the endeavor.

to: mikefut (and others)

re: the whole plan

I agree that the whole thing is illogical insofar as starting with just the small amount of money on FTP and trying to go from there, without funding it another way. But that really was my thought process at the time. I continued to play decent volume on Stars the whole time, and the FTP thing was something that I was trying to bring along on the side at the same time. From my HEM screenshot I was clearly running pretty well on Stars at the same time, and probably would have wanted to keep putting most of my play time into that site.

I mean if I were thinking logically and clearly the whole time I hope that I wouldn't have ever done any of this!

BBB, I have a question for you. Please keep in mind that I'm not judging you but I think it's important to hear from you on this. You said you wanted to build a roll for higher limits. What were your long term plans for this 2nd account when you reached the 5/10, or 15/30 levels?

We were asked to remove the posts about the personal attack. We have let everyone involved know that we disapprove the lack of professionalism. Please take up any questions directly with those involved via PM.

We were asked to remove the posts about the personal attack. We have let everyone involved know that we disapprove the lack of professionalism. Please take up any questions directly with those involved via PM.

Fine. Censor us. BBB delenda est.

This is DeucesCracked, not 2p2, please, if have something to add constructively, say it. No threats, no allegations without evidence, just solid discussion.

I have to remind everyone that BigBadBabar is no longer a DeucesCracked coach.

Fine. Censor us. BBB delenda est.

dude calm down

I am going to try and answer a few more inquiries soon but first I'd like to make a few general comments.

First off, just to let everyone know what I am doing, I have just finished reviewing my entire Skype chat log with BBB, which goes back to 1/13/09. Needless to say it is quite long as BBB and I used to speak a lot. I have been feverishly reviewing it over the past week and would estimate I have spent upwards of 15 hours doing so. I hope to assemble some relevant conversations and share them with DC.

I am also reviewing a number of other Skype chat logs with different individuals and emails with various DC personnel.

I hope that everyone understands I am working as hard as I can and spending almost literally all of my free time on this issue.


Secondly, I believe there is a rather large flaw in the logical thought process of many posters in this thread. If you are willing to accept BBB at his word (e.g., that there is no other pertinent information he wishes to reveal, that his intent was what he has said, etc.) then you MUST give me the same benefit of the doubt regarding my motivation. Doing otherwise seems extremely hypocritical, especially given that we are currently discussing an issue that has brought BBB's character and trustworthiness into question.

This just doesn't make sense, either PH is something of a douche or there's more to this story. Which is it PH?

My intent has been consistent throughout. I have been making every effort to bring any and all information I possess to DC's attention and of course I would like the general DC viewing public to have the same benefit. I am more than comfortable with standing by whatever decisions DC and the general public make as long as they are first as fully informed as possible.