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of course reads should alter your decisions but the first thing I'd be thinking is that there's more value in inducing bets on this board texture given the pot size as opposed to value betting every street hoping to get called by worse. there are of course opponents I would not apply this reasoning to.

of course reads should alter your decisions but the first thing I'd be thinking is that there's more value in inducing bets on this board texture given the pot size as opposed to value betting every street hoping to get called by worse. there are of course opponents I would not apply this reasoning to.

So from the beginning, we are looking at calling the flop, and then maybe calling the turn rather than donking?

I only brought up the c/c donk turn line because I thought it might be interesting/worth discussing... not necessarily because I think its the best line

Dr.

I get that when you ISO rz the BB has been prone to 3betting, so you hesitate,but with a Q9s hand would not that be a good thing as long as the button is somewhat prone to fold? He will be facing 2 bets cold and in bad relative position facing a possible cap. If you cannot find a raise, then perhaps folding is best?

And I am NOT suggesting a fold, but rather the feeling that a 3bet is so catastrophic.

One advantage of the ISO raise, you would have the best relative position with a hand that probably plays well NOT having the initiative multi way, but able to represent if you do get it HU.

I like fnupples idea of taking the river and examining it, but also think a jumble is hard for me to follow. Has there been a concensus yet on the flop play?

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PS as to fnupple's question, do not rule out a x/r from the arsenal. Not saying you did, but we should consider all options right? I saw b/f and c/f discussed, but surely we should at least look.

Doc--

As played why not just lead each street. No one has indicated any strength, your completing the SB does not show weakness necessarilly and by leading if you get raised on this board you should have a better idea of where you stand. By x/r the flop, I think you bloat the pot, and tie him TO the pot, not get him to fold more easily.

IF I want a fold, I keep the pot small giving him few odds to continue and little reason to bluff.

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grunch:

I think completing vs raising is very close PF and depends on the tendencies of the limper. If he's very aggro/showdown bound I tend to just limp behind, if he's a bit more fit/fold then I'll isolate. I don't give BB much consideration here because if he is aggro then he'll just raise light behind us anyways.

As played I'd just c/c. I don't care if BB overpeels with something like K6 here because the pot is so tiny, and it's a pretty narrow range we're looking to get value from when we c/r against the BTN. I'd c/c a lot of turns too, just using my hand as a bluffcatcher. If BTN were very loose and bad and showdown bound then I like a c/r more since we'll get peeled on 2 streets by all sorts of ridiculous stuff, but even then it's still close since a big drooler could just 3barrel his whole range.

As played I'd bet the river. We don't have 50% equity against his calling range but c/c opens us up to just get played perfectly against and a bet just goes in better (against 6x, worse PP and worse 9x, all of which check) than c/c. I'd c/f if I checked which I'm not sure would be too bad in this pot against this opponent... but I'd still just bet it.

Dr.

I get that when you ISO rz the BB has been prone to 3betting, so you hesitate,but with a Q9s hand would not that be a good thing as long as the button is somewhat prone to fold? He will be facing 2 bets cold and in bad relative position facing a possible cap. If you cannot find a raise, then perhaps folding is best?

And I am NOT suggesting a fold, but rather the feeling that a 3bet is so catastrophic.

One advantage of the ISO raise, you would have the best relative position with a hand that probably plays well NOT having the initiative multi way, but able to represent if you do get it HU.

I like fnupples idea of taking the river and examining it, but also think a jumble is hard for me to follow. Has there been a concensus yet on the flop play?

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PS as to fnupple's question, do not rule out a x/r from the arsenal. Not saying you did, but we should consider all options right? I saw b/f and c/f discussed, but surely we should at least look.

I don't disagree that an ISO raise can be found sometimes. That being said, with the BB liking to 3bet and the BTN likely to come along anyways (because really, how many players are bad enough to OL on the BTN and then reasonable enough to pitch their hand rather than call 2 more bets cold?) I think we are just bloating the pot with a decent (but not great)hand. From what I have gathered from your post, I think we are somewhat in agreement that getting 3bet is not a good thing given our hand.

Doc--

As played why not just lead each street. No one has indicated any strength, your completing the SB does not show weakness necessarilly and by leading if you get raised on this board you should have a better idea of where you stand. By x/r the flop, I think you bloat the pot, and tie him TO the pot, not get him to fold more easily.

IF I want a fold, I keep the pot small giving him few odds to continue and little reason to bluff.

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I think you may have misread my post. I was saying that I preferred to lead out on the flop rather than xr specifically for the reasons you cited.

yeah, sorry doc, do not know why i referenced you in the second post as it was clear you did not mind a lead.

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