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A year ago, Entity took PygmyHero under his wing in the series "Real Life: Microlimit Grinder," and coached him from struggling at $.5/$1 to winning at 10x the stakes. Now it's Pygmy's turn to give back, as he takes a struggling microlimit LHE student, AdriennesRevenge, and attempts to duplicate the success he's had in the past year.
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The reason I don't like 3betting As8s on the 8d6c2d flop is that I think your hand is too strong and should be more inclined to raise the turn. Also, by waiting for the turn, you can decide to just call if a diamond comes (where your equity drops significantly).
I do agree with the balance point and I think that calling the flop intending to raise most turns balances the times to call the flop to peel with two overs and give up unimproved as well as when you call the flop with A high intending to show down if the draws don't come in.
I agree with you Mike. I wanted to focus on Jess' unbalanced play (always 3-balling TP/overpair on the flop) in general as I think analyzing that spot is something that will greatly help her overall game.
In doing that I may have neglected this specific hand a little bit. I agree with the points you're making and think it's worth reiterating the memo BBB and I received from DC grinder (who later runs bad in the video) saying, 'On drawn up boards wait and raise a safe turn.' Your equity can change pretty drastically depending on what falls, and since we're IP we can really decide how much action to put in.
I totally agree with all of your points here on my flop raise, because it really doesn't accomplish much. Nobody is folding a pp (or strong Aces which makes up a nice part of Boomer's range) after capping pre. This was one of many spots where I played poorly post-flop, imo. After the sesh Boomer, Isac and I talked about this spot and peeling the flop is much better.
Yeah one other thing worth mentioning is that you had been waiting for the turn to c/r (or tried and missed) with a number of big hands already. Because of that your flop raise here isn't really credible in terms of representing the K. Given that unbalanced range it was much more likely your hand was a draw here or air (not saying A high is air, but you know what I mean).
Example 1 of me in "schizophrenic" mode in this game sadly (see later T8)
This was one of those "in the moment" decisions where I really should have taken more time over it. I think I ended up short circuiting a little when aumorgan checked back the turn because I was pretty sure he should be betting pretty much all his range there.
I honestly thought he had a PP lower than the board because every other hand in his pre-flop 3-bet range should be betting (aside from maybe another AT and A9) and if I check he pretty much checks behind always with 88-.
So if I check do we think check/fold > check/call here? The pot's not that big since it's HU and only 1 bet went in on the flop and the turn was checked through. If I check I'm bascially hoping he turns 88 or another AT into a bluff.
Yeah this is kind of a tough and weird hand since, again, both players should be looking at that board and thinking, 'I don't beat anything.'
As I said in the vid, against a weak player I think we might have a value bet here since they'll call (incorrectly) with pocket pairs and other dumb hands. But in a game like this I'm less certain as to the 'correct' play. My initial instinct is that I'd x/f for the reasons you laid out - not beating much, small pot, people don't often turn made hands (e.g., 88) into bluffs, etc.
tbh vs Adri I think this 3-bet is probably a little more out of line than is given credit for here.
After the session I thought about it and, personally, I'd be happier with 98s here than KTo due to domination issues and that fact I can take the pot off "better hands" easier post-flop.
Any thoughts on that?
Definitely agree - I'd much rather have 98s here. I talked about this hand with Nfinity while we were sweating and we concluded that your 3-bet was -EV in a vacuum. That's why I was saying you have to make it up post flop by occasionally stealing on boards that are likely to miss/scare Jess (so basically boards with one or no broadways.
For the record I seriously contemplated banging the BTN here but chickened out.
Okay, here's the problem. I say I think it'll get folded to the blinds (implying rb2k folds the BTN). BBB then asks what the chances are rb2k opens the BTN, I say not high. He then tries to sneakily take my side. I think we probably have to go no action on this one.
So that I stop making 28 posts in a row:
Boomer - sorry about the KK's - you are right. Sad face.
Rusty, thanks again for getting the vid up on time.
bluffindeuce, I'm pretty sure BBB has some content coming up soon...
AC was EPIC. Pretty sure that's going to be a MORE than annual event.
You two nailed this one:
Immediate brain says: "WTF is going on here??? F**k it I've got a pair and an open-ender *MASH*"
After betting brain goes: "You idiot!! That's the most obvious check raise ever and surely isac has something????"
Yeah, I think BBB are I are basically on the same page with you. It's such a weird hand - it's hard to construct two realistic ranges that you're ahead of (easy against donkeys - just give one of them a low pocket pair that can't fold). But keep in mind you don't need the best hand - you only need more than your fair share.
That said, you might not even have fair share here, but the whole hand is just so confusing that I don't know what to do. A bet might be a losing proposition, but it can't be atrociously (like -1 BB) bad. In any event, your river fold was great.
I loved the vid, BBB as special coach and the screaming grinder in the background
~1:50:18 for those who missed it
I don't think you can tell on the audio, but this mystery person (revealed in part 2) actually fell out of his chair.
BBB and I were in the lobby the next day using the wireless and he received about a dozen AIM's asking who it was in the background. Someone said they played it back 8 times in a row and just laughed and laughed.
It's called soul read. Boomer is an expert
I don't fold here aswell, but as you said Jess is the tightest player on this table and her capping range is soo (was) narrow. So Boomer can't really be happy about any improvement, a Q is domenated by KK,AA (QQ) and A is dominated by AK - and IMO that was about the range for Jess capping here - JJ and AQs might be the only "good" combos for Boomer.
With Aumorgan in with his silly silly line so far I really don't mind Boomers fold - though the pot is huge and the 3 A outs will be good very often.
I honestly think we spent too much time on this and might have made it sound more complicated than it is. The bottom line is that the pot is just WAY too big to fold AQ here.
One other point we didn't make in the video is that we DO have the ace blocker, so Jess' range is skewed just a little bit more towards pocket pairs here (meaning we should call and be happy when we bing the ace).
Folding 8h8s on the KhTh2h board is by far the best play. I noticed that you didn't mention AUmorgan behind us which is the main factor influencing my decision. There's a very good chance of getting 3 bet behind us and having very few outs. Our heart outs are obviously dirty, but also our UTG got 3 bet and cold capped. Getting overset is a real concern. While the pot is big, the pot being multiway makes this situation very unfavorable for us. While our pot odds go up incrementally, our odds of winning the pot decrease expotentially with each player in the pot.
Wow, I'm going to QFT and such since I think this is a really good post.
Yeah I remember this hand..
I was so wtf, cc 3bet preflop, x/3bet flop I insta thought TT,JJ,JTs - and adjusted my play to that. RB's line just didn't make much sence and really confused me. Boomer was a little easier to put on a range since he didn't cap the flop.
But honestly I didn't think I had enough for capping flop or raising the turn. Sure it was TP+SD but vs RB's weird weird FPS line I was soo confused and made a wtf river call.
I really don't think capping the flop would be a mistake and I'd like that more than accidentally putting in excessive turn action. I mean, you're 2:1 to make the SD and you should have other outs from time to time (turning a K against rb's QQ, running two pair/trips versus the hands you listed, etc.).
LOL this is so strange looking back at.
I remember that I thought he would fold to the turn or river lead without a or PP+, whily my check should look like a xc plan? I obv didn't wan't him to fold, and if I could just pickup the 1BB extra from him that would be good.
Really FPS - but honestly I'm confused in those spots with the Ã¼ber nuts and how to extract the most value
But you know what I never thought I was able to b/3b turn or river vs the majority of his range :S
Yeah as we pointed out in some earlier hands, when you don't bet you don't give the opponent a chance to spew (not that putting in action here with the second nuts is spewing). People definitely make big hands sometimes, and you always want to give them a chance to make a weird/bad play for the pot at an inopportune moment (e.g., when you have the nizzles).
What does Bagroland or whatever it is mean? How about shania? Where did these saying come about and when did I miss it. I feel out of the loop.