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2/4-River value bet
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Hand was played vs a good player
pre is w/e but does anyone like a value bet now??
Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 754644
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with T 
7
3 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls
Flop: (6 SB) 3 
K 9 
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls
Turn: (4 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls
River: (6 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, hero???
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The X/C flop and turn line looks like 5x or 3x a lot so a bet can't be too bad. I probably check back at gamespeed but when I slow down to think here I like a value bet. Will be interested what others say.
When I first read this hand over, I thought a value bet was appropriate. However, after thinking about it some more, I think checking behind may be better. I don't really see AQ, AJ, QJ, etc calling on the river. I also don't think villain is taking this line with 5x and 3x if he's a good player (maybe A3, but I don't think he calls the flop with A5).
When I first read this hand over, I thought a value bet was appropriate. However, after thinking about it some more, I think checking behind may be better. I don't really see AQ, AJ, QJ, etc calling on the river. I also don't think villain is taking this line with 5x and 3x if he's a good player (maybe A3, but I don't think he calls the flop with A5).
OK interesting. I would usually X/C this flop with A5 in villain's position. I hate to give up too easily in 3bet pots in BvB with a hand that has showdown value. Do you think it is correct to fold? You may be right- our equity may not be great against standard villain's PF 3betting range and we probably have bad RIO. Seems exploitable though to X/F the flop too often here.
This is definitely a tricky spot. I can see villain X/C the flop with A5, but would he continue to c/c all the way after hitting the 5 on the turn or would he show some aggression in a BvB situation? I suppose c/c-ing the turn and river would allow villain to make sure the minimum number of bets go into the pot for a cheap showdown.
I guess I'm back on the fence as to what to do and think this spot may be opponent specific. If villain can get to showdown with a lot of unimproved AX hands or QJ/JT-like hands, then a value bet should go in. If villain only gets to showdown with some sort of made hand, then I'd check behind. You can go either way here and just make a note of what villain does for future reference.
I would bet here. I don't think you'll ever see a Kx here, and not often a 9x. His hand looks like Ax or a weak pair. I see plenty of villains call any unpaired Ax in this spot.
I don't think you will be check/raised often either. Most players donk when the river improves their hand.
If you play around in stove you can add a ton of 9x hands and remove many Ax hands in villains range before it gets close to 50% equity. Clear value bet IMO
i definitely bet/fold here for value. expect to get looked up by ace high a fair bit and maybe small pairs too. also we don't really mind if he folds something since that way he doesn't see our hand and doesn't get the information about our wide pf3b range in this spot. if he does call with better it's still good for us as far as getting paid off in future.
Does anyone else not like the turn barrel? I don't think there's a single better hand we can get to fold. I'd expect a good player to check/raise the flop with QJ, JT, QT. So unless you have a specific read that he'll lay down Ax or 3x on some scary rivers, I would just check back and give up.
The pot is a bit bigger since it was 3 bet preflop. I think 4 to 1 is a good price to stab again.
I think there are some Qx, Jx type hands, or T8 in villains range that he can let go off. There is also value in making him fold a worse hand.
i definitely bet/fold here for value. expect to get looked up by ace high a fair bit and maybe small pairs too. also we don't really mind if he folds something since that way he doesn't see our hand and doesn't get the information about our wide pf3b range in this spot. if he does call with better it's still good for us as far as getting paid off in future.
My thoughts too.
If villain knows we are 3betting wide, this is certainly an easy vbet. And if we are playing T7s with a 3-bet, I think we need to barrel turn at least.
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