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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Entity (Micro/Small Stakes)

first ever first!

I can't wait to watch this! Very generous of you guys to do this.

9:40- When discussing the merits of stabbing with 9-high you guys forget to mention a concept that is pretty important especially when you move up. That is, in decisions where your options are to bet/raise, or give up in the hand entirely we are actually fine with him folding hands that are worse than ours since the alternative is letting him bluff profitably.

29:00- I really disagree with everyone with value betting TT on the KJ44 rainbow turn. Most of the gutshots are discounted obviously and from what we have seen from marizz3's play so far, he would likely be donking hands like AQ on the flop. I probably value bet any other turn card 9-5 and 3's, but it's just way unlikely you have the best hand here.

46:00- I make that CO open-raise all day long considering the weak-tight Button and the terrible blinds. Everything Entity says about why not to play it is valid, extremely so, but in the end the fact is these guys are horrible and you want to play as many pots in position as possible vs. these players. Your play might be breakeven/ slightly +EV at the stakes you currently play but I really support getting into the habit of taking advantage of these situations. I do recommend getting a little more comfortable with your post-flop play before you do this too often. Another thing that you have to watch out for is that this sort of play will trash an image really quickly and you have to be on top of your game to curtail any potential troublespots later on in the session.

67:00- Another thing to note about villians CR on the Turn is that he either read into the amount of time it took to make your decision, or he isn't paying attention to your play at all considering you made the exact opposite play with the AQ hand earlier when he won the pot with 2's.

71:00- Here, Entity describes my super-secret note-taking technique. For some folks, my entire note box is filled with fishy plays they saw me do.

Also Magic: The Gathering played on anything higher than a casual level is the exact opposite of poker. Unless you are independently wealthy or sponsored by a store. By staying on top of the meta-game you end up sinking a ton of money into it, and what few tourney wins you have end up funding the next season, when everything changes. Developed by the devil himself imo.
Good career choice to move away from it.

It is a hella-fun game though.

oh cool iPoker ;P

Also Magic: The Gathering played on anything higher than a casual level is the exact opposite of poker. Unless you are independently wealthy or sponsored by a store. By staying on top of the meta-game you end up sinking a ton of money into it, and what few tourney wins you have end up funding the next season, when everything changes. Developed by the devil himself imo.
Good career choice to move away from it.

It is a hella-fun game though.

QFT, I finished 3rd in England in 2006 and represented england at the worlds same year and didn't come even close to recouping the losses I'd made on the game (For reference my deck which I played in the English Nationals was later calculated at a worth of $620 and it wasn't the most expensive deck around at the time...plus I owned the full "Power 9" at one point.....sold them for a massive profit but I probably still lost money when you take into account fuel bills, accomodation, tourney fees etc etc etc. )

Thanks for your comments Nfinity.

Re: The "self note" taking I've actually started adding that a ton now (I just put it in the notes under "image vs me" and it's actually awesome...even if it does say "tard" a few too many times recently)

67:00 I actually had this to bring up but I think we ended up going past. I was very surprised when I saw T8 at the time as he should know I didn't bet AQ before. When Pygmyhero brought up the timing tell topic I pretty much assumed this was it, or he just hated me and was in "F*ck you I've got a pair" mode which can also happen.

Once again thanks, for commenting

oh cool iPoker ;P

I see what you did there

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Re: The "self note" taking I've actually started adding that a ton now (I just put it in the notes under "image vs me" and it's actually awesome...even if it does say "tard" a few too many times recently)

Whatever you've done, I've done 10x worse, sometimes on purpose, botched rebluffs, crappy isolation plays to test the waters w/ stuff like 89o, you name it sir.

All this does is help you, as long as you remain aware. One day you are "that guy" who only has AJ+, 77+, when you 3-bet a dude. You're getting value-pwnd by dominating hands and never getting paid off.

The next day you are getting bet-3bet by 3rd pair because "that one time, where you raised an AKJ flop w/ 22"

29:00- I really disagree with everyone with value betting TT on the KJ44 rainbow turn. Most of the gutshots are discounted obviously and from what we have seen from marizz3's play so far, he would likely be donking hands like AQ on the flop. I probably value bet any other turn card 9-5 and 3's, but it's just way unlikely you have the best hand here.

If you would value bet a 7, I don't see how a 4 makes it any different at all. I also don't think it's super likely you'll see marizz3 donking AQ there, I'm not sure why you think you'd see that.

I see what you did there

I got the avatars mixed up since I keep mine turned off

Great to see more .50/1 LHE conent!

As a one tabler I could barely keep track of the action >.>

Love the "Turn CBet" frequency HUD stat idea, gonna set one up on mine.

(34 mins) I wanted to fold the KK here as well! Trying to see it the way Rob and Mike do because clearly I do give people too much credit. After seeing what WoundedMonkey had in that spot, should be easier for me to call down check raises in the future when I have a decent holding.

(45 mins) 86s in the CO is too weak for me to be raising even with a tight button. Particularly since you've raised the last few hands in a row, people are gonna play back at u

(53 mins) Interesting and clever concept imo of value betting rivers semi lightly after draw friendly flops that didn't make it. I don't always have the guts to do it, but it's an admirable concept imo and another factor that should go into the age old value bet decision

(70 mins) Interesting concept Rob brings up of taking notes on what image u have portrayed to a certain player thereby helping u take advangtage of it later

(76 mins) Degen-a-Gid is epic pronunciation imo worthy of Chuck

(87 mins) I fold 86o there all day long.. trash is trash especially out of position

(100 mins) Really good idea mentioned about standardizing the amount of time u take on actions. I'm guilty of panicking and insta snap betting... or the reverse, hesitating and I agree that opponents pick up on that stuff. When I review my session after playing, my decisions are much more accurate during the replayer than my in game actions were; because I pause the action and figure out the optimum play. It's quite expensive and avoidable to know the right move, but make the wrong move due to not taking a simple breath and thinking for 2 seconds

Great job guys! Long ass video tho!

hey AdriennesRevenge, glad you could comment.

(34 mins) I wanted to fold the KK here as well! Trying to see it the way Rob and Mike do because clearly I do give people too much credit. After seeing what WoundedMonkey had in that spot, should be easier for me to call down check raises in the future when I have a decent holding.

The one thing to consider here is that we were talking about the KK hand as a draw here on the turn as we're almost certainly behind. You'll notice Rob saying "You definitely don't have to call the river". Yes on the river we'd be getting 17-1 closing the action but we'd also be overcalling where we pretty much beat 3 hands (2 of which are on display yes but how often does that happen?). I think what we're hoping mostly here would be to call the turn and it either check through to our button or we hit one of the 3 non-heart Queens.

I don't really know what people think here about overcalling the river if it were to come to that but despite an enormous pot it's quite a stretch to assume we're beating both of them when the river bricks. HU yeah, call and snigger. (Rather than my "Fold turn - Chair into fish pond on river" Line )

(45 mins) 86s in the CO is too weak for me to be raising even with a tight button. Particularly since you've raised the last few hands in a row, people are gonna play back at u

Really the only guy I was "afraid" of playing back at me had already folded. Plus it was more a case of I'd won the hands rather than raising (the K6o hand was a Blind defense) but I get where you're coming from. This is marginal though and Rob made several very good arguements for folding it.

(87 mins) I fold 86o there all day long.. trash is trash especially out of position

Straight up Hot-cold equity-wise this is a marginal fold esp with high rake(it's about 34% vs a 35% button open which I'd imagine is what that guy's on...ish). But this is one I'm going to play with in Pokerstove or some similar program as I really want to get an idea of how his well-definied range will connect/not connect with certain boards. This would also depend on how often I may be able to take him off a better hand...after 100 hands he seems SD bound but that's not a significant sample size to work on, with a closer read this could swing either way.

Great job guys! Long ass video tho!

Ty, and yes...long video.

I also don't think it's super likely you'll see marizz3 donking AQ there, I'm not sure why you think you'd see that.

We've seen him Donk 2 flops, one in which we saw KQ, an overcard draw to the particular board he donked. The other, he donked a low connected board and folded the turn after Boomer showed aggression on the flop, and the Turn put a 4 straight on the board.
I'm tempted to believe he had some sort of 6 out draw here as well, because I don't believe he folds a pair that often.

I believe his donking range is geared towards a "good hands that missed the flop, but could still become a winner"
More "draw" heavy (from our perspective) than pair heavy, to put it another way.


So on a KJ4 board I believe AQ fits that profile somewhat. It's not a great fit, of course. I'm willing to concede that we haven't seen enough of his play to make a concrete read and leave it out of his range when he checks, but I don't think we should weigh heavily on it being there either.

If you would value bet a 7, I don't see how a 4 makes it any different at all.

Because when the 4 doesn't pair it gives us that extra little bit in marizz3's range that we beat, that kind of makes it enough to valuebet.

You made a comment in the vid about the board pairing low, like that didn't really change anything, but it really does. With a hand as marginal as ours we would have been way more excited had a J fell on the turn than a 4. A K we are sort of neutral about because it doesn't appear anyone has one anyway.

I agree marizz3 is peeling a huge range here on the flop, but if you are expecting him to peel 23cc hoping to backdoor a flush, I think that falls into the realm of hopeless optimism. I'm almost positive the majority of his suited trash hits the muck on a rainbow board.

There is still a decent range of hands he can have that we beat: A9,AT,9T,TQ etc. but you have to believe that because of the dry board texture and the fact that we hold 2 tens, that his range is somewhat pair heavy.


I would be fine betting against either opponent heads up, but against 2 players we are hoping that our Tight player holds AQ, AT, or 99 when he could easily play AJ or QQ this way, and we are hoping that our Loose passive player holds the range I mentioned above, when he could easily be playing any Jack or 4 this way.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about betting for value relentlessly at these stakes vs the players that frequent them, even if you find yourself value-owning yourself. But in this situation you are betting into 2 opponents, both of whom have pretty narrow ranges of hands that we beat, that also have wider ranges of hands that they play the same way that we don't.

So on a KJ4 board I believe AQ fits that profile somewhat. It's not a great fit, of course. I'm willing to concede that we haven't seen enough of his play to make a concrete read and leave it out of his range when he checks, but I don't think we should weigh heavily on it being there either.

Yeah, I think it's a pretty horrible fit; KQ on a T32 or whatever it was (video loading now) is very very very different than AQ on KJx vs a preflop raiser and a preflop 3-bettor.

I would be fine betting against either opponent heads up, but against 2 players we are hoping that our Tight player holds AQ, AT, or 99 when he could easily play AJ or QQ this way, and we are hoping that our Loose passive player holds the range I mentioned above, when he could easily be playing any Jack or 4 this way.

This is really going to come down to both of us vehemently disagreeing about how loosely he's peeling when he's check-calling. There are a whole lot of hands that I expect him to check-call twice that we're doing very well vs. -- mid and low pocket pairs, hopeless Ax, backdoor flushes, backdoor straights, and random spastic things. What we know about him is that he's loose, he's made strange and unorthodox plays on random boards, and we haven't seen him inclined to fold in general. We only have 13 hands on him so anything we can say is going to be based on a pretty limited read; basically both of us are construing archetypes that we can apply based on the type of player we think he is, but there's not much that we can argue from as specifics here, unfortunately.

What I can say that we agree on is that if I thought your read on his range was correct, your play would be correct, and if you thought my read on his range was correct, you would think mine to be correct. What I mostly don't understand is why you'd think he'd donk AQ here but not a hand like Jx (keep in mind, I don't necessarily think he'll donk either), and how you've construed this read given that neither of us has very much information on him. Regardless, you have good points, I just don't think there's much I can say or that you can say that will sway either of us to thinking the other person's read has more merit.

Rob