micsquab
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Is this call due to direct pot odds more so than implied odds? Seems like in limit holdem calling with a gut shot, no over card, and no back door FD is a leak. I don't think hero would hit often enough to be +EV, and when you do hit you don't really get paid off a lot. No Limit villain would sometimes stack off with a set and 2 pair. Or am I looking at this spot wrong? Good video, crisp and clear. Good job talking about different villains and different spots.
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bellatrix
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Is this call due to direct pot odds more so than implied odds? Seems like in limit holdem calling with a gut shot, no over card, and no back door FD is a leak. I don't think hero would hit often enough to be +EV, and when you do hit you don't really get paid off a lot. No Limit villain would sometimes stack off with a set and 2 pair. Or am I looking at this spot wrong? Good video, crisp and clear. Good job talking about different villains and different spots.
No, it is really just about the implied odds. The fact that there is no FD out there and that the gutter gives me the nuts furthermore means there are no reverse implied odds. So I need to make up 2.5SB in equity to give me the correct 10.5-1 odds to hit my 4-outer. Add in a really small out that I hit a queen and it's good (maybe like a third or half an out) and you can quickly see that I make that up with just one single bet on the turn.
So I don't think calling with just a gutter getting 8-1 a leak, because we don't need to make up that much in implied odds. By no means to I need to "stack him", I just need one more bet on the big streets.
Add in to that 2 things:
a) The guy was a maniac. Now at the time, he had only played 8 hands, but even with such a small sample size such a high VPIP/PFR is out of the ordinary and should be noted. As such, this flop does not necessarily need to hit him. He often will have a much wider range than I have, even - the 3bet narrows his range, but maybe only to top 25-30%. He will have stuff like 98s and such in there that I still beat. Or he will have low pocket pairs that I hope to suck out on with my "6 outer". So broad range, lots of times bets weapon agains maniac is to call and let him hang himself as often these guys respect your aggression (plus it makes your calls when you actually have nothing much easier like in this case
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b) If he had a low pocket pair, you might get a free look at the turn, so you don't need immediate pot odds all the time. Now this wasn't necessarily the case here (but I didn't find out the tendencies much later), I do think he would've bluffed with a low pp and the check was indicative of strength, but I don't know. He later checked the turn with KJ on an A-high board instead of bluffing it. Anyway, the fact is that a non-significant amount of time you will get a free look at a river card, which improves your pot odds a bit.
Thanks about the compliments. I *really* want to get across that the way to beat games now isn't to 20-table ABC anymore (though this .5/1 lineup turned out to be quite... mhmmm... fishy), but to grasp opponent's tendencies and act upon them.
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grandmofftarkin
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First, is there anyway for your HUD to show the entire time instead of switching from table to table? It's kind of annoying when trying to look over at the table and get a read.
Right hand table T5s. Given how small the pot is if I had any read on the players that they would fire when x'd to, I'd go for a xr.
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Left table. Iso T8s and get donked into on 765fd. I think you can raise this flop despite not having any bd flush draws. Just thinking about his donking range, I'd imagine your T's and 8's are good a portion of the time, and 9's and 4's are pretty much always good. Yeah getting donk/3! sucks, but you still have outs.
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I'd be careful talking about image at these stakes. I don't give most players credit for doing any thinking, let alone thinking about my image. If they are thinking about that, it's probably just looking at my HUD stats. Granted here your HUD is reading 18/13...so maybe you're right? 
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Ooo ok I'd like some discussion on the left table xback with A9 on 48Q4. Were you planning on check calling? If so were you check calling down? Is he they type of player to turn worse hands than yours into a bluff?
I realize you have some showdown value, but my thought was he will call you with gut shots and diamonds so I would have bet (but I usually just barrel through too many turns). The pot is pretty small here so I suppose I'm missing something concerning that fact.
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Left table A
9whatever. In contrast to the other hand, I don't think I raise this flop. Even though you have a bd flush draw, you have more showdown value if he's donking some draw, you only have one overcard, and you don't have a draw to the nuts (when a 9 would have made your T8 on a 765).
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bellatrix
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First, is there anyway for your HUD to show the entire time instead of switching from table to table? It's kind of annoying when trying to look over at the table and get a read.
Sorry, will fix for next vid.
Right hand table T5s. Given how small the pot is if I had any read on the players that they would fire when x'd to, I'd go for a xr.
Yeah, it's a fine balance between getting a lot of value (via c/r) and "protecting" your equity. What I mean is that I don't mind not getting a lot of bets in 3-handed because of the RIO present here and would rather get it heads-up.
But I agree that standard play is to c/r. I must have had a brainfart, not that it was a bad brainfart 
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