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DeathDonkey wrote:

I guess I\'d fold the first and coldcall the second but hate it. Both should be close to folds.

-DeathDonkey

I don\'t feel that bad about calling down when the LAG raises but the other guy is a closer story.

I agree with your thoughts up to this point but would go for a turn checkraise. There is really no draw to worry about so if the turn checks around you probably would have had a hard time getting paid off anyway. And your opponents might make a costly second best hand on the river. Also if there is insane action on the turn before it gets to you you could even get off the hand.

-DeathDonkey

I guess I\'d fold the first and coldcall the second but hate it. Both should be close to folds.

-DeathDonkey

Low limit 6 max game, second hand at table all players unknown.

Pre flop
I’m deals 8h 6c in SB, UTG open limps, HJ and CO limp too, button folds I’m getting 9 to 1 with only the big blind to act, I think this is an easy call.

Flop
Ks 8c 2h
I think with four opponents even on this raggedy flop it’s unlikely I could take the pot down if I bet out so I think checking and seeing what action takes place is the play. I’m thinking that if I get good odds then I might peel and if it’s checked to the CO and he bets I can check raise.
Question 1
Does anyone think betting out on the flop with four opponents is better than checking and waiting to see what happens.

Anyway I check, big blind checks, UTG bets, HJ and CO both call, I’m getting 8 to 1 and again with only the BB to act, I can again call to try and hit one of my five outs.

Turn
Ks 8c 2h 8d
Do I bet or try for a check raise on the turn, I think I should bet. I don’t know anything about the UTG player except that he limped pre flop from UTG which usually means a loose, unsophisticated player, his most likely hand is a weakish king (I think if he had AK or KQ he would have raised pre flop). Now when he bet out on the flop and sees all those callers if his king is not very strong he might be reluctant to bet again on the turn. In addition he has to be concerned with the middle card pairing on the turn, so I think it is too risky hoping to see if he or someone else will bet the turn, I have to bet it myself.

Question two
Do I bet or try for a check raise on the turn?

DD, In low limit games like this one that play more passive wouldm\'t you want to bet into 3 players on the turn for value. Yes in a perfect world CR the field would provide more value but a Ck through here would suck. Even if UTG has a K he might clam up here thinking that the 8 helped one of the 3 flop callers so he might not bet, yet he will call one bet.

My thinking if the pot was HU or 3 way I would go for the CR but multi way like this I would just donk and charge all the passive callers a bet. Not to mention because there are not any real draws out there a CR defnies your hand and now someone that was willing to call a single bet on the turn and river with a marginal holding will fold to the turn CR when it comes back to them. As such lose potentional value when you bet the river.

Curious if there is any merit to this line of thinking.

I think a c/r here is the way to go. you are in a great spot for it here with UTG taking the lead on the flop, you can trap the field for two bets.

FWIW, i\'d take the lead here on the turn if the flop better had been in LP and a couple player were caught in between us.

DeathDonkey wrote:

Also if there is insane action on the turn before it gets to you you could even get off the hand.

DD,

how would you handle the following...

UTG bets, a nittish 20/7/.8 CO raises?

UTG bets, a LAGGY 30/18/2 CO raises?