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## Calculating Floppush vs. WaitForTurnShift

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#### TomGrill

39 posts
Joined 06/2007

PotLimitOmaha related topic:
What has the most EV in this situation. We cbet the flop and get checkraised by villain in 3bet Pot.

1. Pushing on the Flop
or
2. Waiting für Turn and go broke on certain cards.

Asume villain never folds in both cases

I dont have an example, because i want to know it in general.

Thats my solution:

EV(Floppush) = (FinalPot * Equity) - FlopInvestment
EV(WaitTurn) = -Flopcall + %TimesGoBroke * ((Finalpot*AverageTurnequity) - TurnInvestment)

Does this work?

Are there any videos which cover this topic? I know there are a lot of math series but finding the right one covering this kind of topic is difficult

#### StackHunter

2698 posts
Joined 09/2010

None of these. I'd click it back (min 3bet his check raise). Why? Because this is the only way you can represent AIR. When you call this x/r, you like an armadillo:

I mean, by calling you show him you always have something, so if he continues on pure bluffing he is either stupid and/or seriously drunk.

#### TomGrill

39 posts
Joined 06/2007

Ok i guess this situation does not occur often in NL but in PLO there are certain situations where both player have a hand but it might be usefull for one of them to wait for a save turncard. an i want to calculate this.

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