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In Finally Canadian Ansky talks a lot about min 4 betting in position. Something that I think works quite well because it is difficult to play against. However I see more people doing this and find myself facing min 4 bets occasionally. How do we counteract a min 4 bet when we are oop?

Ex:
Btn opens for 2.5bb and Hero 3 bets to 10bb from the big blind. Btn min 4 bets to 17.5bb. How do we play our bluffs and premium hands given we are 100bb deep?

I mean there is only little room left for bluffing since if we make it around 25-28bb we are giving villain too good odds to call so do we simply give up on our bluffs even if villain has a wide 4 bet range? If he has a wide range we can of course widen our 5 bet value range but do we shove to collect (0.5+10+17.5) 28bb or do we make a 5 bet? It seems like a big shove where we might play poorly against his calling range. On the other hand how can we 5 bet with out clearly committing ourself or without giving him to good odds to call and play a big pot in position against him?

Kind of new to the forum so I hope the post is in the right category.

Adjust your 3bet range so that it is something like top15% (77+, A7s+, ATo+, K9s+, KJo+, QTs+, QJo, JTs).

And we 3 bet with the intention of flatting the min 4 bet improva?

And we 3 bet with the intention of flatting the min 4 bet improva?

Yes (but obv only if villain's 4bet range is wide) If not well then the situation is not an issue...

But do you think we would be able to play these hands profitable in a big pot oop against a regular?

I assume we are going to be check jamming a lot of good flops

The problem as I see it is that we can't have a balanced 5 bet strategi oop because the stack sizes are really bad so we can't shove and we can't 5 bet to a decent amount without committing or where we give our opponent too good odds to call. Also we can face that btn will call and we are stuck in a situation where we can't bluff the flop wothout committing.
So perhaps flatting is the only option or will it be profitable to play a more unbalanced 5 bet range where we only 5 bet our premiums + an occasional bluff? Ofc it is not a good idea to be unbalanced but will our opponent ever catch on to this? This is a very special situation that does not happen really often so it will be difficult for the opponent to get a decent sample. Ofc you should still mix in a few calls oop with AA/KK as well.

Yeh so im assuming we arent going to be 5 betting, we can balance by calling with the range improva stated above and check jamming a lot of flops

Does it really matter what villains 4bet size is? I don't think so.
Ofcourse he needs less folds from us to show a profit with his 4bet bluffs but as long he has a reasonable 4bet % we don't have to worry about his sizing because the biggest part of that range is for value and only a couple bluffs.
If villain has a pretty high 4bet % we can 5bet small of just jam but I think this topic should be about counteracting players with a high 4bet from the BTN and not counteracting a 4bet size.
If villain is always min 4betting he should have a pretty high 4bet % because he has a lot of bluffs but if he still has a very small % with min 4betting we are not exploited.

I think it does matter because it allows you to have a 4 bet flatting range OOP 100bb deep.

I think it does matter because it allows you to have a 4 bet flatting range OOP 100bb deep.

Why do you think that?

If villain has a 4bet range of 3% (which he is min 4betting always) the size of his 4bet does not matter.
You are always crushed by his range so why would you have a 4bet calling range vs his QQ+/AK based on his sizing?

Im not really sure tbh ive not been min 4 bet enough to even think about adjusting to it, since improva said that correct adjustment would be to 3 bet the top part 15% of our range im assuming that is so we can call min 4 bets OOP 100bb deep and play post flop.

If villain has a very high 4bet frequency, ofcourse we have to adjust and play back otherwise we are exploited. But that is based on frequency and not sizing. I have to add I don't have a lot of experience with flatting 4bets oop and play post flop.

Yeh thats what i mean i dont know anything about this apart from what improva states above, i do see where you are coming from though about 4 bet frequency, maybe improva was tlaking about an average 4 bet frequency and then you adjust your 3 bet rnage the tighter/wider there 4 bet range is.

4bet size does matter. The bigger it is the better it is for our shoving range.. the smaller it is the better it is for our calling range.