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snowboard789

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didn't know where to put this cause its about all forms of hu im curious although im a draw player.

i was seeing my stats and i have a steady loss when playing from the bb and steady gain from sb/btn .
is this normal or should it be that from bb also you should gain but much less obv cause you are oop.

what will happen if i fold more bb's, obv i will lose more cause i lose the bb money but like is there an equation of how much you should be losing from the bb and if u lose more then try to fold more? (or improve your oop game but thats another conversation im interested in pre mostly)

Posted about 1 year ago

luckyciaran

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I am definitely interested in opions on this. One thing I have been doing is 4x in postion vs weaker opponents who defened to light and do not 3bet.
I feel building a big pot early in postion will multiply my postional advantage. Still not sure if this good with 100bb stacks as it does make post flop a shallower.

To answer your question I think defending less hands out of postion will boost your win rate. Try removing the bottem 10 percent of your calling range.

Posted about 1 year ago

goose669

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equilibrium defense frequncy is going to pretty important in a vacum...as you dont want to be leaking $$ pre for the sake of it ....after that i guess it comes down to who your playing id say and their tendancies and your edge post flop vs them....when deciding what/how to play from the bb

think i play probs somewhere between 36% - 50% of hands from the bb...3betting 15% - 30% in general depending on who im up against.

couldnt tell you the equation for the defense frequncy ...i have a spread sheet that does it for me and tells me hows much im profiting vs his defense frequency...the most popluar ones are vs vil opening 100% from the sb 3x you gotta defend 36% i think to stop him auto profiting pre...vs vil opening 100% from the sb for min you gotta defend 50% to stop him auto profiting pre.

Posted about 1 year ago

luckyciaran

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I agree with what you are saying in a vacum. but most small stakes oppenants are not going to pick up on that. So I don't think I need to be that balanced. Is it not better to give some ev upn out of postion. And expect them to make bigger mistakes post flop vs your stronger range?

Do you see a problem 4xing from the button if the villon does not tighten his range, or increase his 3bets?

Posted about 1 year ago

goose669

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i know what your saying its not so much being balanced its just another spot that you can exploit your opponent and gain and edge.....the problem is letting yourself being exploited preflop to try and exploit villain postflop when he has position kinda counter productive i think...you can still defend enough hands in order not to be exploited preflop and do fine vs a typ guy sb opening range...obv thats where adjustments come in.

4x pre...hmm i dont do a ton of it...i do vs fish that just flat alot from the bb...i might even just do it with strong hands and play very exploitably if the guy isnt going take notice...which does happen at times....the problem with 4x pre is that it obv has to work more to be profitable...if he's 3betting a decent amount then it gets tuff due to pot to stack ratios getting smaller which favour villain not hero...it just seems a bit uneccesary all in all...3x is good 2x great if he's aggro as it gives you 150bb effective stacks

Posted about 1 year ago

Kulk

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If you would fold all your BB's how most would it cost you in terms of BB/100 ? Compare this number to your win stat isolated for the BB. If its lower you are doing something very wrong of course because you could then make money by folding every time.

Like many poker situations there is no one golden equation because it depends on your opponent/situation. However if you know how much your opponent steals you can figure how you can counter this. If you are a draw player I suggest you discuss this with other draw players.

You can also come up with simple math exercises to help you. E.I. in the BB vs SB: When SB steals x amount how many hands should we defend ? You can start with a toy game assuming that there is showdown after the pre flop (draw) betting round.

Posted about 1 year ago




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