General Poker Discussion Poker Forums

So why do you think that?
What, for you, is the difference between hard work and obsessed?

"ob·sess (b-ss, b-)
v. ob·sessed, ob·sess·ing, ob·sess·es
v.tr.
To preoccupy the mind of excessively.
v.intr.
To have the mind excessively preoccupied with a single emotion or topic

Most then probably should let go of big dreams in poker. Be happy with getting to midstakes by just working hard on it but not obsessing. It will get in the way of things that are almost guaranteed more important in the long run. Especially now where getting to 200nl is as hard as it is. Being obsessed about poker during the poker boom does make sense. Being obsessed about poker playing small stakes while putting things as education second in a time where poker gets harder and harder and the fish become less and less is dumb. To me there really isn't much future in poker on itself. Or you want to become the next Doyle brunson

Honestly I feel like you need to be obsessed to get to the elite level. (When I'm talking elite I'm talking about beating high stakes/nosebleeds.)

there's certainly selection bias going on here as well. it's one of those "necessary but not sufficient" things. i don't think mindlessly grinding a million hands a year is enough to get to high stakes. but if you're willing to do this as well as be mindful of what you're doing those million hands, and you don't get unlucky when taking shots, and you work on all the other necessary parts of your game like BRM, there's a greater chance of making it.

but it's no guarantee of success. there's plenty of people who had the work ethic but couldn't break through for a myriad of reasons game-related and not. but at the same time, if you want certainties in life, aim as low as possible and you'll certainly get there.

and any top, elite athlete/leader in any field has a bit of delusion and cockiness that the general population lacks (or has too much "common sense" to believe about themselves). it could even be described as a chip on their shoulder, like they have something to prove. again, this is a necessary but not sufficient component of success. there's plenty of cocky, delusional losers in the world too. but if you don't have this trait, then you don't have a chance in hell at this crazy thing called success (unless you're damn lucky to never have setbacks where "common sense" kicks in).

but seeing as i'm still one of those cocky losers, i could just be full of it.

Anyone had any experiences with this poker hypnotist chap? http://www.poker-hypnosis.co.uk/ Could be helpful but I am naturally sceptical about this sort of thing.

Hi,

Noticed I was getting hits on my website from here so thought I would join in and say hi,

I'm the "hypnotist chap"

There are a number of threads on 2+2 about the Mp3's (psychology forum) and all the testimonials on my site are from 2+2 users.

If anyone has any questions about using hypnosis to improve your mindset let me know.

Good luck at the tables.

Elliot

Hi,

Noticed I was getting hits on my website from here so thought I would join in and say hi,

I'm the "hypnotist chap"

There are a number of threads on 2+2 about the Mp3's (psychology forum) and all the testimonials on my site are from 2+2 users.

If anyone has any questions about using hypnosis to improve your mindset let me know.

Good luck at the tables.

Elliot

Interesting^^

Can you link mb some 2+2-threads?
Furthermore, can you maybe elaborate a bit how you have become a hypnotic mentalcoach and how you have found your way to onlinepoker?
Futhermore, everybody knows that Jared Tendler is a real expert when it comes to mindset-stuff in poker and he has published his qualifications...
What qualifies you to work as a mental coach?

Hi,

Thank you for your interest.

Here's a link to the main 2+2 thread,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/173/commercial-marketplace/online-poker-mindset-hypnosis-mp3-reduce-tilt-improve-focus-1185625/index2.html#post32960911

Most of the questions are answered on there so I'll just give a quick breakdown here:

I have a Diploma in Hypnotherapy and Psychotherapy (DHP) from the Royal Berkshire College of Clinical Hypnosis (RBCCH). I decided on this course because it was one of the most comprehensive available in the UK.

I am also trained in Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT or Tapping) and have attended courses on utilising CBT (Cognitive behavioural therapy) concepts within hypnosis.


I had had success with golfers on improving their game, a friend of mine works in the Poker industry and explained the effect tilt can have on players so I started researching the subject and working with players, at the back end of last year. The more I worked with players the more confident I was in the effectiveness of Hypnosis on focus and tilt at the table. I produced a live and online poker hypnosis Mp3 and recommend them being used as your pre-game warm up. Hypnosis is a guided meditation that focuses and quiets the mind prior to starting a session.

I am not a high level poker player but I have competed in highly stressful sports at national level (amateur MMA) so I understand the importance of the mental aspect of competition.

So far the Mp3 has received many positive responses including this one from Jonathan Little

"I just figured i'd come here and let everyone know I listened to the mp3 every day before and after the $25,000 WPT main event and I feel like I put in 4 of the best days of poker in my life. I was paying attention well, not tilting, and picking up small tells much better. Thanks Elliot!"

If you have any questions after reading the threads feel free to contact me either on here, 2+2 or through my website.

Kind Regards

Elliot

I didn't mention that I fully understand the scepticism,

I didn't have much faith in hypnosis until my fear of flying (that had effected my traveling for years) was cured in a 1 hour session. I was so impressed I took a course in the subject and took it up as a career choice.

If you read up on hypnotherapy and its concepts rather than viewing it like stage hypnotism it's easy to see why it would be such an effective tool for controlling tilt.

Examples of good books would be

"Hypnotherapy" by David Elman

"My voice will go with you" by Milton Erickson

Hi,

Thank you for your interest.

Here's a link to the main 2+2 thread,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/173/commercial-marketplace/online-poker-mindset-hypnosis-mp3-reduce-tilt-improve-focus-1185625/index2.html#post32960911

Most of the questions are answered on there so I'll just give a quick breakdown here:

I have a Diploma in Hypnotherapy and Psychotherapy (DHP) from the Royal Berkshire College of Clinical Hypnosis (RBCCH). I decided on this course because it was one of the most comprehensive available in the UK.

I am also trained in Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT or Tapping) and have attended courses on utilising CBT (Cognitive behavioural therapy) concepts within hypnosis.


I had had success with golfers on improving their game, a friend of mine works in the Poker industry and explained the effect tilt can have on players so I started researching the subject and working with players, at the back end of last year. The more I worked with players the more confident I was in the effectiveness of Hypnosis on focus and tilt at the table. I produced a live and online poker hypnosis Mp3 and recommend them being used as your pre-game warm up. Hypnosis is a guided meditation that focuses and quiets the mind prior to starting a session.

I am not a high level poker player but I have competed in highly stressful sports at national level (amateur MMA) so I understand the importance of the mental aspect of competition.

So far the Mp3 has received many positive responses including this one from Jonathan Little

"I just figured i'd come here and let everyone know I listened to the mp3 every day before and after the $25,000 WPT main event and I feel like I put in 4 of the best days of poker in my life. I was paying attention well, not tilting, and picking up small tells much better. Thanks Elliot!"

If you have any questions after reading the threads feel free to contact me either on here, 2+2 or through my website.

Kind Regards

Elliot

Thanks man for the detailed response^^
I will also read the 2+2-thread and potentially write you if I should have other questions^^

Best Regards,
Chris^^

edit:
only one suggestion:
In the pokerworld many ppl do not use/have paypal for transfers, but mostly transfers be making throughout Skrill/Moneybookers or via Site-transfers (for example on pokerstars).
So imo it would be a good idea for you to register at Skrill/MB.

For example I kinda would be interested to try out your MP3-files, but I just will nit waste time in making a paypal-account only for this because usually I do not need paypal for anything... it is obv. not bout me, but I would strongly guess that many ppl will view it similarly^^
Of course it`s up to you

i think conservative brm would help also.

I didn't mention that I fully understand the scepticism,

I didn't have much faith in hypnosis until my fear of flying (that had effected my traveling for years) was cured in a 1 hour session. I was so impressed I took a course in the subject and took it up as a career choice.

whot! i'd do anything to get over my fear of flying give links of where u went !

Thanks man for the detailed response^^
I will also read the 2+2-thread and potentially write you if I should have other questions^^

Best Regards,
Chris^^

edit:
only one suggestion:
In the pokerworld many ppl do not use/have paypal for transfers, but mostly transfers be making throughout Skrill/Moneybookers or via Site-transfers (for example on pokerstars).
So imo it would be a good idea for you to register at Skrill/MB.

For example I kinda would be interested to try out your MP3-files, but I just will nit waste time in making a paypal-account only for this because usually I do not need paypal for anything... it is obv. not bout me, but I would strongly guess that many ppl will view it similarly^^
Of course it`s up to you

Hi,

I have a skrill account email me at elliot@poker-hypnosis.co.uk if you would like the details.

I can't use poker stars anymore as I'm now living in Vegas...... (not that I'm complaining)

whot! i'd do anything to get over my fear of flying give links of where u went !

Hi,

Fear of flying is relatively easy to cure with hypnosis, just look for a hypnotist in your area who is well versed in hypno-analyisis rather than purely hypnotic suggestion.

How hard do you have to work to say beat 200nl 6max on stars?

I don't consider myself intelligent, I also struggle with focus so studying is hard for me in a way.

Btw, very decent thread, have quit poker every blady downswing but not this time.

This also seams to motivate me OP ( I know your not looking for motivation but maybe you learn something lol) , only reason why I am still dabbling around on the table's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqhk3U7DRvg

Becoming more confidant in your own play is the biggest factor. The more sure you are that you are doing the right thing, the less bad results will play on your mind. Utilising training sites, coaching and talking poker as much as possible with non-idiots will all help with this.

Material wise, Elements of Poker and The Chimp Paradox both helped me a good deal with mental-specific improvement.

FWIW, I have done a 2 day hypnosis training and what i saw the teacher doing really amazed me (for example curing fear of hights and really bad fear of public speaking, i can 100% voch for this method to be legit!

Hey^^

Just wanna give a quick review about the autosuggestive MP3-files from elliot.
I have got it and can rly tell that it is very well done.
I have already listened to it now several times (I use it as a warm up for my sessions) and it is rly great to recognize like all those information and beneficial autosuggestions seems to fit more and more with the brain.
For sure I can recommend it to any serious grinder because it will allow you to more frequently show up with your A-game while performing.
For me it does work very well and I am glad that I have decided to get it^^

yea im happy with it tbh....Elliot roe is a good guy...read about on this thread so i figured id give it a shot ...v happy with it also.

Thanks for all the info in this thread Elliot. Will be giving your mp3 a try

Thank you all for the support and for having open minds to the concept!

I'm really hoping word will spread over the next few months, it's a very easy tool to use (you just have to relax and listen) and nearly all feedback has been very positive. My main issue is just getting players to give it the initial listen.

Now all I want is a bracelet winner at the WSOP and it will sell itself.......

Good luck on the tables and message me if you have any questions

Elliot

Here are some things that help me out:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4-General-Discussion/26652-A-different-angle-on-down