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http://www.pokertableratings.com/blog/2012/04/stars-profiles-removed/

Pretty awesome.

For some reason. I can't get onto PTR today. No idea why.

so now you will get hu action for 30 hands per reg

so now you will get hu action for 30 hands per reg

I see, I think it sucks that people can buy a shit load of HHs.

Very, very happy about this. Those sites are a plague on poker. I'm sick and tired of seeing idiots berate bad players about how much of a losing player they are, and quoting how much they've lost on PTR.

Also, buying hands is a bit bullshit too.

About time imo

Very, very happy about this. Those sites are a plague on poker. I'm sick and tired of seeing idiots berate bad players about how much of a losing player they are, and quoting how much they've lost on PTR.

Also, buying hands is a bit bullshit too.

we all need to push this idea

it's not commonly accepted that buying hands is cheating. if you have friends who do it, tell them to stop. the community needs to move the line on these views or else the rule abiders will be punished for their compliance by those who cheat and exploit them

we all need to push this idea

it's not commonly accepted that buying hands is cheating. if you have friends who do it, tell them to stop. the community needs to move the line on these views or else the rule abiders will be punished for their compliance by those who cheat and exploit them

I guess we can start by not posting on threads when people have a ton of hands but no reads. Bit if a giveaway.

good idea!

and while dc is a very friendly community, you can certainly vocalize your protest. "it looks like you are either datamining or are not taking notes. [insert personal message here]"

Not really sure if you can call buying hands cheating. I mean if someone gets like 10k hands on someone, he gets a basic idea of how that person plays from stats, but he still has to be able to interpret stats correctly and apply it in practice. It's not that the hand histories themselves provides the player with an edge if you know what I mean. Also players adjust so just staring at stats is not going to help someone anyway. Additionally, what about things like sweating - wouldn't that be a worse form of "cheating"?

As long as you can't see hole cards or team together, I think someone should just be able to utilise whatever resources available. But I do agree that PTR ruins the spirit of poker but then again you could say the same thing about having HUDs. Oh well

online poker certainly has created dimensions that don't allow us to look to live poker for advice. obtaining hole card info and colluding have always been against the game, but the live game has no analogies for what you've mentioned.

in these cases, should the site's own rules not guide you in understanding what cheating is?

many sites do not have a "one player to a hand rule." as a coach, i don't do live sweats. while it may be that i don't conduct them effectively, i find that post-play reviews via video or 'silent sweat' are much more effective. i am not completely sure how i feel about them morally...

as far as HHs, you vastly underestimate the information gained from these samples. poker is a game of information. if you have more than your opponent and cannot beat him, you're doing it wrong.

with five figure samples, you can start examining relationships between numbers that would be useless with, say, 500 hands. reliable information on how often people 4bet bluff and where, on how they play versus raises on various streets and on all kinds of stuff. sure, they can adjust, but if you can't obtain value from this amount of info, you need to work more on your own utilization of info.

to me, that is why it is cheating. it is not only against the rules, but against the spirit of the game. poker is built on limited information. creating an imbalance here ruins this.

I understand what you are saying Terp, and to a large extend I agree with it! but you also have to consider that professional players who play day in day out gain a competitive advantage that can not be obtained by a recretional player. That in itself is already "cheating". If a recretional player then feels that he needs to buy hand histories to be competitive, I wouldn't argue against that... but yeah it would be exciting if hands couldn't be tracked, there were no HUDs, etc., and let the skill battle commence

I understand what you are saying Terp, and to a large extend I agree with it! but you also have to consider that professional players who play day in day out gain a competitive advantage that can not be obtained by a recretional player. That in itself is already "cheating".

That isn't even close to the same thing.

You don't think that someone that gathers info on 2,400+ hands per day has an unfair advantage over someone that can only gather info on 600 hands per day?