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im convinced that low stakes poker is impossible to beat. You can't "beat" a game where everyone calls everything no matter what they hold. its just unbeatable period no matter what you say

Yes you can.

From the few posts i read OP you kinda sound like me when i first joined DC. By that i mean ONLY and i repeat ONLY in that i thought i knew more about poker than actually did. I had read 4-5 books. You know the old 2plus2 books (which btw was all there was when i first started), I was good at sng's, tourneys, crushing micro stakes/small stakes on party and even running the occasional money up at 1000nl. One night i had even played two tourneys for the fist time ever live against random people at this bar and out of roughly 60 people each tourney, i won both. Everyone including myself was shocked. It was crazy awesome. Man, i knew how to play poker. i wasn't stupid just like you and i was already winning.

You know what happened when i found DC? I originally signed up to learn a few tricks to help me make some more money. I mean how freaking complicated can poker be?? I got into a couple of arguments over situations with players who looking back now, clearly had more experience than me and was told i was wrong. I started to be like wtf?? I thought i knew poker?? Why am i so wrong or not getting it??

I started to figure out it wasn't just about learning a few tricks to make money. it was much deeper than that. I then decided to start at the beginning with all of the beginner video's and move up from there. Really build a solid foundation of knowledge. When i got to 50nl i hired a coach and he not only helped me learn how to think about poker, but also got me into participating in the hand history forum. Over this time i fully immersed myself in poker 24/7 for over a year. I was at work all day and secretly on the hand history forum doing hand historys all day. Haha if they ever checked the internet logs, they would be pissed that 90% of my time was on there. Good thing that job sucked and i moved on to bigger and better things. anway, I improved my game a ton and found out i didn't know what i didn't know. I went from 25nl to 200nl 6max in about a year. Sure, other players have obv done far better than my results, but not bad for playing part time with a full time 8 - 5 job. it's not as easy mental wise as you might think.

You know what i kept thinking to myself while i was immersing myself in poker? Even with the success i already had, just wow, i had no freaking clue how to play poker. So glad i did this. My point is, you have no clue how deep this rabbit hole goes and it's very apparent.

From what i've read, you aren't looking at the big picture. Saying stuff like "3/6 limit game and that is a joke and a half. it is literally impossible to make money at 3/6 unless you catch a ton of cards. in order to play no limit live poker I need a few hundred bucks and I dont have that." isn't the correct mindset to have at all. Its far from a professional mindset. Poker is about the long term. It's not about going out gambling trying to turn that $300 into $1000. It's about playing solid poker and over the long run winning more than you lose. Making less mistakes than your opponents. You think some players get more lucky and that's why they win? It all evens out bro. Every player over the long run will have the same amount of "luck" as the next. And speaking of luck, i guarantee your "good play" is probably filled with fundamental flaws and mistakes. I guarantee it! It's LOL at how many players blame bad luck for their failure and i see for my own eyes it's clearly a lack of understanding.

Anyway, this is what i did. i became open minded, started at the bottom because i wanted to build a solid foundation of theory and fundamentals. I'll repeat a solid foundation of theory and fundamentals. I wanted to understand why we do something and not just, i saw a coach do it so i want to.

I'll repeat this too. Despite what i thought, i had no freaking clue about poker and you don't either. 100%. That's not an insult, saying you are stupid, or anything against you, it's just a fact.

Well, sorry for the errors. Probably just wasted my night typing this rather than watching a tv show, but what the hell i felt like rambling. This is all i'm going to post on this and i won't be back for arguments. Take it or leave it everyone.

So u lost what a predictable joke you are.. i bet u didn t take any advise u where given.
Just rushed into a game way out of your depth. and lost to an inferior hand ha ha ha ha.
Tell me how was it inferior if it won lol?? obviously u had the inferior hand .and gave him 20-1 odds to fish or call. then went in a $21 heads up game and probably folded to every raise cause u didnt get AA or KK
dont come here crying... if you knew you would loose that quick then why the F did u play.. i think u like giving away your money.. whats your user name so i can have your next $40 ha ha ha

i dont think u understand poker get a new hobby this will have u smashing your computer soon.
by the way we all lose to shitty hands or river cards its part of poker,,, its called a bad beat look it up...and get over it .
iv been knocked out of tournys all weekend with the best hand as u put it 3 times with AAs twice KKs and 5 times QQs only once did the other guy have a higher pocket pair. the rest they caught straights flushes and trips each time i was deep . blinds huge and in or just of the $$.. thats poker for ya ..it happens you will lose get over it

if waiting for cards is "gambling" then how is betting to make someone fold a part of his range not gambling?

To be fair I was this guy when i joined DC. You'll figure it out op just try and take in as much knowledge as you can and look at it objective. Also learn to understand the math behind variance

Can we get a microstakes winner to post a graph over a decent sample? Lol.

January Results

Not sure if that counts as a decent sample. I also beat 4nl for 5.5BB/100 over 100,000 hands as well.


john - Not trying to be a dick, but from reading your posts in this thread, you don't know the first thing about poker. Until you realize this, you are right; you will never beat the microstakes.

Yes you can.

From the few posts i read OP you kinda sound like me when i first joined DC. By that i mean ONLY and i repeat ONLY in that i thought i knew more about poker than actually did. I had read 4-5 books. You know the old 2plus2 books (which btw was all there was when i first started), I was good at sng's, tourneys, crushing micro stakes/small stakes on party and even running the occasional money up at 1000nl. One night i had even played two tourneys for the fist time ever live against random people at this bar and out of roughly 60 people each tourney, i won both. Everyone including myself was shocked. It was crazy awesome. Man, i knew how to play poker. i wasn't stupid just like you and i was already winning.

You know what happened when i found DC? I originally signed up to learn a few tricks to help me make some more money. I mean how freaking complicated can poker be?? I got into a couple of arguments over situations with players who looking back now, clearly had more experience than me and was told i was wrong. I started to be like wtf?? I thought i knew poker?? Why am i so wrong or not getting it??

I started to figure out it wasn't just about learning a few tricks to make money. it was much deeper than that. I then decided to start at the beginning with all of the beginner video's and move up from there. Really build a solid foundation of knowledge. When i got to 50nl i hired a coach and he not only helped me learn how to think about poker, but also got me into participating in the hand history forum. Over this time i fully immersed myself in poker 24/7 for over a year. I was at work all day and secretly on the hand history forum doing hand historys all day. Haha if they ever checked the internet logs, they would be pissed that 90% of my time was on there. Good thing that job sucked and i moved on to bigger and better things. anway, I improved my game a ton and found out i didn't know what i didn't know. I went from 25nl to 200nl 6max in about a year. Sure, other players have obv done far better than my results, but not bad for playing part time with a full time 8 - 5 job. it's not as easy mental wise as you might think.

You know what i kept thinking to myself while i was immersing myself in poker? Even with the success i already had, just wow, i had no freaking clue how to play poker. So glad i did this. My point is, you have no clue how deep this rabbit hole goes and it's very apparent.

From what i've read, you aren't looking at the big picture. Saying stuff like "3/6 limit game and that is a joke and a half. it is literally impossible to make money at 3/6 unless you catch a ton of cards. in order to play no limit live poker I need a few hundred bucks and I dont have that." isn't the correct mindset to have at all. Its far from a professional mindset. Poker is about the long term. It's not about going out gambling trying to turn that $300 into $1000. It's about playing solid poker and over the long run winning more than you lose. Making less mistakes than your opponents. You think some players get more lucky and that's why they win? It all evens out bro. Every player over the long run will have the same amount of "luck" as the next. And speaking of luck, i guarantee your "good play" is probably filled with fundamental flaws and mistakes. I guarantee it! It's LOL at how many players blame bad luck for their failure and i see for my own eyes it's clearly a lack of understanding.

Anyway, this is what i did. i became open minded, started at the bottom because i wanted to build a solid foundation of theory and fundamentals. I'll repeat a solid foundation of theory and fundamentals. I wanted to understand why we do something and not just, i saw a coach do it so i want to.

I'll repeat this too. Despite what i thought, i had no freaking clue about poker and you don't either. 100%. That's not an insult, saying you are stupid, or anything against you, it's just a fact.

Well, sorry for the errors. Probably just wasted my night typing this rather than watching a tv show, but what the hell i felt like rambling. This is all i'm going to post on this and i won't be back for arguments. Take it or leave it everyone.

I found this useful, feel like I'm on this journey, definately bumpsalong the way

lol lost a 5.50 sng to an inferior hand. he went fishing and busted me. then I went to a $21 heads up buy in and gave my money to that guy. told u that Id lose it very quickly

Playing a 21dol Sng with a 40Dol bankroll. is a disaster!

i have read this thread, and i must say that: How is it not an advantage for you, that a fish plays K8o and will stack off with TPNK?

this must be a troll thread

have you not heard?
waiting for cards is gambling, just like blackjack or craps.
The only variance-free (or non-gambling) way to win is making people fold!

im convinced that low stakes poker is impossible to beat. You can't "beat" a game where everyone calls everything no matter what they hold. its just unbeatable period no matter what you say

firstly JOHN how about thanking those who took the time to give u advice.

read this .. you will laugh at the above comments...IDIOT a table where everyone calls no matter what they have is the best way to make $$ when you get a real hand..

READ THIS half way down page..>>>>>>>

www.pokerjesusonline.com/table_etiquette.htm

This is a great thread. Games are Good.

on Bovada at least it seems.

it's really easy to make an account and put money on that site from the US even today. getting money on Merge must be like rocket science in comparison. and software for HUDs? the man can't even get his hand histories.

but tbh, Bodog was never too keen on hand histories from what i remember. you'd have to run software realtime to track players by name, otherwise every hand history just said player 1, player 2, etc. even before the change to anonymous tables. i don't even think it saved hand histories to disk in text format.

I hear you. but they aren't saved anywhere. or at least anywhere I can find. So posting my hands is out of the question. I only have $40 left online anyway. the way things are going in the micros that will be gone tonight and i wont need any more advice anyway cuz I'll be broke lol

you're right. Bovada doesn't save hand histories to your computer like a regular poker site. Bodog/Bovada is not friendly to poker players who want to track their hands and learn. that's why the tables are anonymous now.

Merge network has the most US poker traffic now. Carbon, BlackChip Poker, Lock, RPM are the actual rooms/sites. the players on all these rooms are all connected together and are simply referred to as Merge. but all these sites cater to more serious poker players.

and don't mind some of the harsher posts. but you can win at poker, at any level. hell, i was crushing play money poker player when i first started out. and nobody calls more than in play money.

you're in the right place if you're serious about this. but first, you need to change rooms and and stop being so pessimistic. i admit i made some super whiny posts when i started out also, but it was only because i didn't know any better. you have a long road ahead still.

This guy is a troll- this guy gave up on poker and decided to get a rise out of the micro's forum.

I would love to see a hand history of his though- that would be something I bet.

This guy is a troll- this guy gave up on poker and decided to get a rise out of the micro's forum.

all new players sound like trolls. so you're just freerolling.

This guy is a troll- this guy gave up on poker and decided to get a rise out of the micro's forum.

I would love to see a hand history of his though- that would be something I bet.

Don't judge me.

This guy is a troll- this guy gave up on poker and decided to get a rise out of the micro's forum.

I would love to see a hand history of his though- that would be something I bet.

you bet?! must not be a micro stakes player. they only call. everything.