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TecmoSuperBowl

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what to do when you are card dead?


I read this thread.

Posted about 1 year ago

rocketragz

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I read this thread.



Should probably start selling t - shirts

Posted about 1 year ago

Tuneman07

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He did have a read on his opponent. He said that he had seen his opponent go all-in with 72 earlier. I think that he played the hand fine.

He put his money in early but exercised pot control later in the hand so as not to get driven out of the hand. His opponent was representing a big hand but johnontilt didn't believe it because of the villain's earlier play. Nevertheless against a maniac it is real important not to pay off their big hands. Calling down the turn and river was fine under those circumstances.



We are always going to pay off a maniac- they are maniacs. When they have big hands they will get paid off.

Posted about 1 year ago

muggles

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We are always going to pay off a maniac- they are maniacs. When they have big hands they will get paid off.


Maniacs make their money by getting excessive action on their good hands and by pricing people out of hands on their bluffs. It is important when playing maniacs that we let them pay us off big for our big hands not the other way around. Exercising pot control on our good but not great hands helps accomplish this.

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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It is important when playing maniacs that we let them pay us off big for our big hands not the other way around.


What do you mean by this?

Posted about 1 year ago

rocketragz

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What do you mean by this?


probably means they way over value their hands. value town them or let them value town themselves. whichever works best for the particular maniac.

Posted about 1 year ago

Tuneman07

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You can't get paid off by a maniac and not pay him off assuming he truly is a maniac and is playing good hands and bad like a maniac.

Posted about 1 year ago

rocketragz

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i dont agree with your generalization. We can certainly be paid off by maniacs and we can certainly avoid paying off a maniac.

Posted about 1 year ago

muggles

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What do you mean by this?


Players have a tendancy against maniacs to put more money in the pot than they normally would because they have such disrespect for the maniac's raises. But most maniacs know when to back off. Ironically a lot of otherwise good players don't back off when the maniac continues to throw money in the pot. The maniac ends up getting paid big for his big hands while the good player doesn't. Using pot control enables the good player to lose the least when the maniac hits a big hand and win the most by playing weak which encourages the maniac to keep pumping money into the pot.

Posted about 1 year ago

soleztis

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I read this thread.



Best response ITT. I literally LOL'd

Posted about 1 year ago

johnontilt87

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Merge Network Fun Step 3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100.00/t200.00 Blinds - 3 players - View hand 1685940
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SB: t2714.00 13.57 BBs
Hero (BB): t4416.00 22.08 BBs
BTN: t2570.00 12.85 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with Q Diamond K Heart
BTN calls t200, SB calls t100, Hero raises to t400.00, BTN calls t200, SB calls t200

Flop: (t1200) T Spade J Club 7 Spade (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t800.00, BTN raises to t1600.00, SB folds, Hero calls t800

Turn: (t4400) 3 Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t570 all in, Hero calls t570

River: (t5540) K Diamond (2 players - 1 is all in)

Ok so with this hand, preflop I raised on the big blind. I realize after the flop Im OOP, so maybe I made my first mistake there?

Post flop, my bet after the SB checks would be a semi-bluff correct?

With his raise I had to call 800 more to win 3800 I beleive. so Aaaaalmost 5 to 1, and if I did the math right I have roughly 3.2 to 1 odds of improving my hand and winnng that pot.

on the turn I felt like I am getting good odds to make the call his all in for only 570 more.

would you have played this similar? totally different?

Posted about 1 year ago

snarble5

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I would shove preflop. In general, when the effective stack (stack of opponents in the hand) you should be shoving or folding (checking when in the BB) preflop.

As played, it is fine postflop. You definitely have to bet the flop with a strong draw + 2 overs. You can just shove the flop instead of calling the minraise and calling all in on the turn since we aren't folding on any turn anyway.

Posted about 1 year ago

muggles

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I would have made a larger raise preflop. That would have helped you define their hands if they called and would have helped you possibly take the blinds uncontested. Minraising gives the BB odds to call with almost any 2 cards. Shoving would have been fine. Even though you had 22BB which is really too much to shove with, the SB and BB only had about 13BB. So your effective stack for that hand was actually 13BB which would have been fine to shove with.

You had good draws so it was worthwhile calling his raise on the flop. Considering you were committed at that point you might as well have thrown the rest of the money in and crossed your fingers.

Posted about 1 year ago

Drakken

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johnontilt, raise bigger preflop, don't just min-raise. 3.5x when in position and 4x when OOP compared to the original better/raiser. But you can slightly decrease or increase the ratio, depending on whether players respect your raises or not.

In your last hand, UTG I would have raised to at least t800 there.

Posted about 1 year ago

2fouroffsuit

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johnontilt, raise bigger preflop, don't just min-raise. 3.5x when in position and 4x when OOP compared to the original better/raiser. But you can slightly decrease or increase the ratio, depending on whether players respect your raises or not.

In your last hand, UTG I would have raised to at least t800 there.



You're raising 4bb with 12bb and 13bb effective stacks?

Posted about 1 year ago




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