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i read the crap you people posted and it makes sense for a game where people take it seriously. but lets say I figure out all the odds and ranges and all that bullshit and make the right call ten straight times, Im still going to lose 9 times. how is that going to be good in the longrun????? well...?

Think about why this doesn't make logical sense. Then you have your answer. I'm not going to tell you anything else because you don't listen, so use your own brain and figure it out.

you will be wrong i wont be playing tomorrow. out of money. that $1 lasted longer than expected tho, must mean Im making progress

Think about why this doesn't make logical sense. Then you have your answer. I'm not going to tell you anything else because you don't listen, so use your own brain and figure it out.

no matter how much I read or think about it, there is no tips on how to beat assholes. except wait for good cards. so I wait hours and hours and then the blinds have taken all my money and Im busted. so unless i have 1,000,000 blinds, I dont stand a chance in this game. there is no way to beat those kind of people. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT A FOLD IS so there is no way to win money from them unless I get lucky and flop a boat, which seems to happen a lot when I fold j-8 or other mediocre hands. maybe I should just play every single hand and hope i catch, thats what everyone else does and it seems to work

no matter how much I read or think about it, there is no tips on how to beat assholes. except wait for good cards. so I wait hours and hours and then the blinds have taken all my money and Im busted. so unless i have 1,000,000 blinds, I dont stand a chance in this game. there is no way to beat those kind of people. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT A FOLD IS so there is no way to win money from them unless I get lucky and flop a boat, which seems to happen a lot when I fold j-8 or other mediocre hands. maybe I should just play every single hand and hope i catch, thats what everyone else does and it seems to work

Then quit imo.

you will be wrong i wont be playing tomorrow. out of money. that $1 lasted longer than expected tho, must mean Im making progress

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you will play tomorrow, and post why???

because losers always come back they cant help it.. they just keep trying to be a winner..

thats why casinos do so well>>

he cant quit

he is addicted to losing

In your eyes I might be a complete idiot. all BS to the side. I truly dont understand how ANY of these tips would work against someone who plays anything. those guys dont figure odds or ranges or whatever you people were talking about. so me using those tips would be useless because the other people aren't playing with any sort of strategy at all. Sure every now and then I'll get the nuts, and those are easy to play. But that comes along once a day MAYBE, that one pot compared to all the money I lose to blinds makes me a losing player. Or the time I raised AQs on the button and didn't hit shit, then I fold now Im out even more. that one hand when I have the nuts doesn't make up for the constant losing. If you guys are sooooooo awesome at this game and still can't put into words how to beat a bad player, its obvious that it cant be done. the only advice ive taken from this is "you should be happy to play against people who call all day" and theres no explanation as to how I can beat these assholes. because you cant unless the cards fall perfectly your way. That happens maybe once out of 10 times, that isn't enough. even in the longrun folks

If you guys are sooooooo awesome at this game and still can't put into words how to beat a bad player, its obvious that it cant be done.

Play tight, valuebet.

Play tight, valuebet.

thats what I mean, but I do that and like I said I'll win one pot a day MAYBE and that isn't enough to make up for all the losing

OP, I think you mentioned you live in California. I'm in So. Cal and I think a fair number of DCers are around here too. When you get some money together, let us know and we'll try to get a DC home game for people who are in the area. The game will surely be beatable because nobody is going to be playing 73s. It should be an easy game.

BTW, I'm w/ Nixon and miss TravD as well.

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your losing King high straight

maybe you should have waited to the river before going all in
ever think why was the other guy still in the pot?
could he have a ace high straight? or there is a 4 to the flush out maybe wait till the river see is he still in and when he goes all in after catching the flush you could put 2+2 together and fold either thinking he has Ace high straight or got the flush.
just cause he had 7 3 s you could have still lost to A K s the fact is you went all in to early when probably many hands beat you

next time think why is the other guy not folding?? maybe im beat and just cant see it??

anyone agree??

The thing is you won't win every time. If you play poker expecting to win every time, you are going to be disappointed.

We should exploit loose ranges by playing tight and tight ranges by playing loose (if there are tight players in the blinds, we should steal loosely from the button).

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.989% 56.41% 01.58% 150981714276 4234281546.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 42.011% 40.43% 01.58% 108213017190 4234281546.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

This is from pokerstove showing the top 20% of hands (our range) against a range of the top 50% of hands. It's fine if it's unclear, I'll explain. Basically, it is showing equity (the chance we have to win) before the flop. So we are a (roughly) 3:2 favourite against this range. So preflop, by playing tight we are going to be winning more money (on average) than our opponent playing 50% of hands (assuming we make less mistakes postflop). The key is learning to make less mistakes postflop than our opponents (in other words we will put in more money with a higher chance of winning (equity)) by narrowing their range on each street and making the correct decision based on that range (folding when our equity is poor, and shoveling money into the pot when our equity is high).

Hopefully, this helps you see how money flows from one player to another in poker (how it can be profitable).

If you have questions, ask away! Everyone is here to help.

i read the crap you people posted and it makes sense for a game where people take it seriously. but lets say I figure out all the odds and ranges and all that bullshit and make the right call ten straight times, Im still going to lose 9 times. how is that going to be good in the longrun????? well...?

NO.

thats what I mean, but I do that and like I said I'll win one pot a day MAYBE and that isn't enough to make up for all the losing

There's a difference between playing tight and being a nit.