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hi opinions on the following hand would be welcome/ situation live/ bubbles burst big live tourney,less than 40 runners from a 600+ field,
utg pushes all in with 18.5 bbs i'm late position blinds 12k/24k ante3k i call with qq

do feel this is a correct call ?
the guy fairly solid player showed aces twice in previous hands

It doesn't really matter what he shows, it only matters what he'd shove

that is the big question what would he shove in this case it was aces and then i'm crippled

I assume 8 or 9 players on the table, with antes present this would make 18.5 bbs shove the equivalent (if adjusted as blinds of approx. 20k/40k) of 11bbs with no ante.

It would be reasonable to expect a very tight player to be shoving (TT+,AQs+,AKo) and QQ is still ahead of this. Also, players with often not usually shove AA or KK but rather raise 2.5 or 3bbs here so discounting these will give QQ an even greater advantage. I would easily re-shove/call with QQ.

(Might be better to re-post in the tournie forum)

Agree with basemetal on all fronts. Probably best to stick with the appropriate strat forum for these types of posts. As for the hand you'll have a tough time finding someone shoving a range that makes this a fold. Get it in!

I think this could be a good fold in some rare circumstances, depending on the payout structure, blind structure and your chip stack size relative to the field

I think this could be a good fold in some rare circumstances, depending on the payout structure, blind structure and your chip stack size relative to the field

Please explain on how in a 600 plus entry live tourny with 40 players left this will change strategy. This size live game has a very flat pay structure, reasonable blind structure and OP is short stacked at this point.

If action was UTG AI, UTG +2 RR AI, MP call then folding QQ late position is probably a good move. Other than that BaseMetal has a VERY good post on why calling is overall the most appropriate move.

The more chips you have, the less the value of each chip. This means that if you double up to being the table chipleader (or amongst them), you can start stealing/calling (re)steals like crazy, and they know you can so they have to play tighter vs your raises/blind/button etc. Your bb/100 on the bubble will drastically increase if you're the chipleader. If you're short though and doubling won't make you the chipleader at the table and there are shorter stacks in the tournament that are about to burst the bubble any hand now you can make a tight ICM fold.

thanks guys / the villian went on to finish 4th my reading on him was limited less than 60 mins maybe a better read i would have folded/ someone with aces you expect a 2.1 to 3 bb raise which is why i called i reckon. thanks any way off to the next live one bye

There are definitely circumstances where I'd fold this hand, but I'd need a lot more info than what's posted in the OP. For starters knowing what the average stack size is and the payout structure and the average skill level of the field and more reads on how the opponent plays.

Please explain on how in a 600 plus entry live tourny with 40 players left this will change strategy. This size live game has a very flat pay structure, reasonable blind structure and OP is short stacked at this point.

If action was UTG AI, UTG +2 RR AI, MP call then folding QQ late position is probably a good move. Other than that BaseMetal has a VERY good post on why calling is overall the most appropriate move.

Im jamming my chips in so fast a few of them may melt. SUPER STANDARD. Def no fold, and if you run into aces its just a cooler just gotta deal with it. So you call and the flop comes anything smaller than a queen? Your still stacking off, and if thats good enough than jamming preflop should be good enough. Players are more likely to be stealing obv not as much from early position but by playing the hand so passivly your allowing people to roll over you. What do you need to jam here AA-KK thats it? imo way to tight of a range. Your giving QQ the same value here as 99. In the end one of the major things is are you trying to move up in the payout or are you trying to win. Fold QQ here if your trying to move up and can only have the nuts to put chips in.

18.5 not very many BBs. if you call how many flops are you folding in all honesty? also how many are you going to be bet off of where you fold the best hand?

The guy is all in preflop, so folding flops isn't a concern

my bad misread at first. either way i guess my point is still clear. shipping it everytime. in cases im not would depend on buyin size of the event. and player spec reads of course. but overall i cant really imagine folding QQ a +ev play here most of the time. imo he would have had to play SUUUUPER tight not just show big hands the last half hour

my bad misread at first. either way i guess my point is still clear. shipping it everytime. in cases im not would depend on buyin size of the event. and player spec reads of course. but overall i cant really imagine folding QQ a +ev play here most of the time. imo he would have had to play SUUUUPER tight not just show big hands the last half hour

It will not be due just to the UTG player being tight but the other tournament players. There will be times, as shuttle and grindcore mentioned earlier, that it will be correct to fold QQ here. If there are several players with very small stacks and a decent pay jump is imminent for instance it could make this a sensible fold. This would be very rare though and I would think difficult to get enough accurate information about this in a live situation across several tables.