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It seems as though a lot of this thread is somewhat implicitly assuming that people are talking about weight related issues. What do people think about LCHF and related diets if someone is not looking to lose weight?

Eating this way your body isn't stressed out, confused and over working (that's what it is doing on a high carb low fat diet) - losing weight is a biproduct of eating this way. It's just healthier overall.

Tilling fields with stone implements, planting seeds, harvesting grain, grinding grain, making a recipe with other ingredients, then cooking it doesn't sound cheap or easy to me.

Ok I'm tapping out, if you think the agricultural revolution didn't make it insanely easier and resource efficient to feed a large group or people (compared to hunter gather) then I present this to DC as evidence for the multiverse and two entities communicating between planes.

It seems as though a lot of this thread is somewhat implicitly assuming that people are talking about weight related issues. What do people think about LCHF and related diets if someone is not looking to lose weight?

Tons of crossfitters do it, and they're all skinny

/asking for trolling

you guys are leaving money at the tables.

Ok I'm tapping out, if you think the agricultural revolution didn't make it insanely easier and resource efficient to feed a large group or people (compared to hunter gather) then I present this to DC as evidence for the multiverse and two entities communicating between planes.

like, making words is communication.

some news for this post SuperBowl morning. much beer was drunk. time to reset the body.

from the Harvard School of Public Health, "Time to Stop Talking About Low-Fat."

conventional nutritional experts Slouching toward Low-Carb. “We Thought of This First.”

similar to this debate just stick to the science and it speaks for itself

so, i just want to make it clear, i still maintain that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. furthermore, i can't believe the events of that day were in any way aided or passively allowed by American powers. such a belief has a deep, fundamental flaw in not understanding the practical roots of evil and ignorance of past history where a group of sane people (not psychopaths) successfully plotted to act against humanity. but this isn't the thread to do it. and the old thread on it has been locked. but i just wanted to clarify my state of mind if people think my thinking is confused on LCHF as well.

if you want to understand why 9/11 couldn't have been an inside job, study pre-WWII Germany (there might be better cases, but it's the only one i'm familiar with). once you understand why a large group of people do unspeakable evil or passively allows it to happen, then you can start asking better questions than "why did WTC 7 fall?"

sorry Acomb. and this will be my final post on this in this thread.

To quote Mike Goldberg.... AND HERE WE GOOOO

ha, I didnt expect that to resurface on here.

I don't know if 9/11 was definitely an inside job. Nobody can prove it.

I do think several things are unexplainable by the official version of events, such as the wtc7 collapse, able danger, the fast track saudi visas, the pentagon announcement of the disappearance of 2.3 trillion $ on september 10th, the move to tie things up to iraq on the day itself despite any evidence, the blocking of a commission (see 9-11 press for truth following the fight of the 9-11 families to establish a commission), the refusal to accept the hand over of bin laden for a trial with evidence in october 2001 from the taliban, Bush's flippant remarks about Bin Laden in 2002, bin laden never seen aside from dodgy dubbed video tapes resurfacing around election time, bin laden apparently dead and buried at sea yet no footage whatsoever...

The above and several other things are enough for me to say that the governments version is bullshit. Not enough to say that it was an inside job, but enough to question a government which has repeatedly shown itself to not really give a damn about the average person.

I don't want to derail thread but until that question is scientifically answered and officially acknowledged 'why did WTC 7 fall?' then 9/11 questions will remain. You can't just explain away the law of conservation of momentum and the conservation of energy just because the implications aren't nice things to think about.

I don't get the pre-WWII Germany reference. Hitler was a born out of the Versailles Treaty which financial and socially ruined Germany after WWI. This doesn't have any parallels here, so could you explain exactly what you are talking about?

Can we please keep 9/11 stuff out of this thread, tyia

ha, I didnt expect that to resurface on here.

PM'ed.

I read through the first page and skimmed this last page. Lots of LOLs were had.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/diets-weight-loss-carbohydrate-protein-fat.html

/thread

I read through the first page and skimmed this last page. Lots of LOLs were had.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/diets-weight-loss-carbohydrate-protein-fat.html

/thread

true, obviously. calorie restriction is also proven to boost longevity. Brad Pilons book 'Eat stop eat' talks much about this and it's irrefutable.

I read through the first page and skimmed this last page. Lots of LOLs were had.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/diets-weight-loss-carbohydrate-protein-fat.html

/thread

Wait, wait, wait... so you're saying... if we spend more energy than we consume... we'll have to supplement that extra energy from... somewhere else?

Groundbreaking.

Who cares how people lose weight as long as those scales show a lower number. Twinkie diet for all! Definitely /thread, well played sir.

mitch the ubertroll

most people in the gym still look fat, by the way

It's not really that important is it? If it works for you, great. Get on with it (but dont shove it down people's throats). If it doesn't, then do something else.

Time to Man Up

It's not really that important is it? If it works for you, great. Get on with it (but dont shove it down people's throats). If it doesn't, then do something else.

Time to Man Up

Of course it is important. If you haven't noticed we are facing a bit of a weight epidemic, which is costing us not only our health, but a lot of resources through medical care. I don't care much about the people who diet and exercise in the pursuit of looking like a model or lifting like Schwarzenegger. I care that obesity has become quite normal in our society, and that a lot of people are trying to do something about it without succeeding. The more we understand how our diet affects us, the better equipped we are to help people (help themselves).

Of course it is important. If you haven't noticed we are facing a bit of a weight epidemic, which is costing us not only our health, but a lot of resources through medical care. I don't care much about the people who diet and exercise in the pursuit of looking like a model or lifting like Schwarzenegger. I care that obesity has become quite normal in our society, and that a lot of people are trying to do something about it without succeeding. The more we understand how our diet affects us, the better equipped we are to help people (help themselves).

Portion control and cutting down on sugar would do wonders for the general population.

I've had a lot of different diets, including some ridiculous college ones, and my whole adult life my weight has never fluctuated more than 10lbs either way. Maybe that's why I'm not a believer in one diet ruling all others, maybe one diet is better than the others for most people, but currently there is not sufficient evidence to point to one best way to eat.

Of course it is important. If you haven't noticed we are facing a bit of a weight epidemic, which is costing us not only our health, but a lot of resources through medical care. I don't care much about the people who diet and exercise in the pursuit of looking like a model or lifting like Schwarzenegger. I care that obesity has become quite normal in our society, and that a lot of people are trying to do something about it without succeeding. The more we understand how our diet affects us, the better equipped we are to help people (help themselves).

and what can you do about people eating shitty?

Telling them 'the truth' about eating healthy?

Most people know they eat like shit and they know thats the reason they are fat. Most dont care.
Most just want to have the feeling they are doing something about their weight then actually doing it.

If you really want to change, you will find a way. Always. You will find the 'low carb diets'. You will find that lifting weights heavy is good for weight loss. etc etc

You will find it.

If some fat bitch takes on some diet just because she made some new years promises to herself, and fails and quits after that... who cares?

Its psychological. if you really think that preaching a certain diet is going to help the obesity problem the west, you are deluding yourself.




Its actually pretty much the same as a losing poker player. He probably doesnt care he just lost a stack and now goes back to the couch chilling with his wife. If he really wanted to become a winner he would probably end up at DC

Portion control and cutting down on sugar would do wonders for the general population.

I've had a lot of different diets, including some ridiculous college ones, and my whole adult life my weight has never fluctuated more than 10lbs either way. Maybe that's why I'm not a believer in one diet ruling all others, maybe one diet is better than the others for most people, but currently there is not sufficient evidence to point to one best way to eat.

+1

I have a fat % of 13. I eat carbs, I eat fats, I eat protein.
What I don't eat much is sugar and I don't eat crazy amounts of food.

Portion control and cutting down on sugar would do wonders for the general population.

+1

i certainly don't think an 8 page thread on DC is going to help the general population. but i was hoping to help some fellow poker players think about what they're eating. that they don't have to go through the recurring cycle of losing weight then gaining it back due to a failed diet model of starving themselves indefinitely (restricting calories).

fredd-bird, we already compared restricted calorie diets to non-restricted LCHF, and people still lose more weight on LCHF as well as improving all metabolic indicators for health. that's the paradigm shift. or more accurately, it's a shift back to good science rather than relying on unproven hypotheses (the low-fat model) and rhetoric.

Nawhead, thanks.
I have stopped eating bread for the last 2 weeks. I used to suffer from terrible acid-reflux every night.
This hasnt happened since. I am a heavy drinker and smoker too.
Thank you.

Personally i think "nutritionists" are the biggest quacks around. The "science" isnt science. Its a load of snake-oil sales-men blushitting all and sundry. I wouldnt believe a single word they say. The human body is so complex that "cause and effect" just doesnt cut it. The problem is that most folk still percieve the word in a Newtonian fashion and the quacks play on this.

However, right now i am very happy. It might be the bread, it might be the black tea, it might be sun-spots but something has made me feel a hell of a lot better.
Thanks Nawhead.

good things, smershbloke.

Hey Guys what do you make of this from Daniel Negreanu's twitter feed?

Daniel Negreanu @RealKidpoker

"Monks in Mt. Athos no cancer no heart disease no Alzhiemers... No meat. In line with the China study connecting meat consumption to illness."

Total vegan propaganda as far as I'm concerned.