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oh snap!

(from the study; try not cherry picking what you want to hear for a change.)
conclusions:
the ingestion of CONTAMINATING GLUTEN should be kept lower than 50 mg/d in the treatment of celiac disease. read it a few times so it soaks in.

there are 28,349 mg in an ounce. 50mg is close to nothing. thats a trace amount. hello!!!
not only that, but wheat contains 100s of proteins, gluten being just one of them. so a tiny amount of wheat flour has an much much tinier amount of actual gluten.

the treatment of CD is to eliminate the environmental trigger (gluten) to the reaction, ie. avoid gluten like its the plague.
i'm not making this up. look at mayo clinic materials, John Hopkins, ect...the info, its everywhere, but virtually no doctor is aware of it BECAUSE THEY DONT TEACH IT TO THEM.
they have thier heads up thier arses, much like yourself.

its very similar to the poison oak reaction bio-chemically.
you can get poison oak from a dog that brushed against it, or even from the wind blowing a micro-amount of it onto you (if you are sensative to it, which is common knowledge among outdoorsy types. (i'm totally immune to poison oak, and can roll in it wih no problem.)

i only disagreed with their conclusion since by their own findings, there was no actual immune response to a dose that low.

and i'm not saying you're imagining everything. even if you think it's the gluten, you should probably try getting a second opinion with a full (blind) checkup.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16518262


but i agree with you, i am insensitive to unsubstantiated claims. and btw, if you don't want skin rashes, you should probably not roll around in poison oak.

Nawhead, what does your HDL, LDL, and VLDL look like?

i don't know. i'm a cheap bastard w/o health insurance.

but will my readings prove or disprove anything i've said in this thread?

it can help either way

then just assume i've had my cholesterol checked and i'm killing myself, thus my unwillingness to divulge them. assume i have an agenda and regard my analyses with the utmost skepticism. it's better that way.

i gotta say, the top prize for craziest, most abusive quack in the thread so far goes to the paleo guy. hopefully it's just sample size error.

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or the guy that says eating a ton of grapes will cure cancer, if only we knew earlier.....

@ r dunbar

i know the truth about my experience

Hey, I'm not doubting your symptoms (allegedly due to even the slightest gluten exposure) at all. Maybe it's happening exactly for the reasons that you suspect, however I think it's likely that you're underestimating, possibly overlooking the placebo effect.

I couldn't find the original but here is the basic summary.

The placebo effect extends much further than medications or therapy: Subjects exposed to fake poison ivy developed real rashes (Blakeslee, 1998), people imbibing placebo caffeine experienced increased motor performance and heart rate (and other effects congruent with the subjects’ beliefs and not with the pharmacological effects of caffeine; Kirsch & Sapirstein, 1998)...

copy/pasted from http://dericbownds.net/uploaded_images/Construals.pdf

when i get exposed, i cant even walk ... too many symptoms to mention here...
it's alarming as hell to me,'

I'm just wondering, how would you react if you were one of the participants who developed a rash and was not exposed to poison-ivy?

I think it's an idea worth considering; that is all.

or the guy that says eating a ton of grapes will cure cancer, if only we knew earlier.....

actually, i was researching resveratrol in red wines recently, and now i'm only drinking pinot noir (it's not cause of snobbery, really). but according to some sources, you'd need to drink 2 gallons of red wine a day to have a significant effect, so this is just of academic interest.

from my notes:

Resveratrol

"activated in response to exogenous stress factors, such as injury, uv irradiation and chemical signals from pathogen fungi [humidity, wet years]."
-Stervbo et al (2007)

lower pH increases trans-resveratrol
-Stervbo et al (2007)

highest trans-resveratrol on average Pinot noir, St. Laurent, Marzemino, Merlot, Blaufränkisch
-Stervbo et al (2007)

double fermentation = more resveratrol
-Stervbo

the vine which consistently produces the most resveratrol is Pinot Noir, no matter the region

it is the cool climate areas where non-Pinot-Noir grapes produce the most resveratrol: Bourdeaux, Ontario in Canada, Yarra Valley in Australia (Blaufrankisch?), rural New York, the south island of New Zealand (Central Otago, St Laurent?) and Tasmania. Hungary (Blaufrankisch?)

Latitude 44 degrees, north or south, may be the general indicator, but local climates and niches will hold sway.

higher north on northern hemisphere, closer to equator for southern hemisphere
- Stervbo


link dump!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolic_compounds_in_wine
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bk-1997-0661.ch005
A review of the content of the putative chemopreventive phytoalexin resveratrol in red wine - Stervbo et al. (2007)
http://vineatrol.com/ (take with grain of salt)
http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/98/2.5.98/resveratrol.html
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09571269608718057#preview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinot_noir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Laurent_(grape)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzemino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaufränkisch

The placebo effect extends much further than medications or therapy: Subjects exposed to fake poison ivy developed real rashes (Blakeslee, 1998), people imbibing placebo caffeine experienced increased motor performance and heart rate (and other effects congruent with the subjects’ beliefs and not with the pharmacological effects of caffeine; Kirsch & Sapirstein, 1998)...
copy/pasted from http://dericbownds.net/uploaded_images/Construals.pdf

placebo's cool as hell.

you'd need to drink 2 gallons of red wine a day to have a significant effect

yayede I aem ccancre poorf.

lol nawhead i love your rambles. you seem like, in fact you are the modern day bobby fisher. It's like you're having a conversation with yourself at times

yayede I aem ccancre poorf.

hahahaha