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Hey nawhead, I find this kind of interesting. I do have some questions though. How are your blood lipids and HDL and LDL cholesterol levels? What about your blood triglycerides?

If you decide to radically change your diet, I would recommend getting some blood work done now and after six months. If stuff drastically changes for the worse, stop (six months of whatever won't kill you)! One thing that is almost certain for most diets is that there is a huge amount of interindividual variability that we do not understand the causes of yet. So just because this works for a lot of other people does not mean it'll have the same effect on you.

how do you feel if you haven't ate in 4 hours?

Totally schizo and panicky. Can't really ever leave it that long between meals (except when I'm sleeping) because of the health problem, anyway.

that's one of the classic symptoms of lowering fat intake. i suffered from these swings as well, and i had to lower my total caloric intake to lessen it. but then i was just kind of hungry and slow all the time.

but you have a medical condition, so i'll just let your doctor do his job.

I have seen about 3 fat people in Korea and all of them are foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_cuisine

They eat lots of meat and vegetables and spices. Pretty much paleo, minus the rice!

the only bad thing in asian cuisine is the noodles. they're everywhere, and people gorge on the stuff. and also, asian people put on fat differently, and the baseline for "normal" is a lot thinner/smaller when compared to westerners. if there are two men of comparable height and weight, and one was asian and the other white, the asian guy is overweight (or just has extra weight).

Yeah that's 100% right, noodles and rice and mostly carb based foods make people fat. Asians are pretty skinny on average though

are you confused by health news? are you tired of hearing conflicting advice about food X every few weeks? do you want to look at a medical study and actually understand it? don't have time to go to medical school but want to think more critically than someone with a PhD?

Science for Smart People talk by Tom Naughton

don't have time to go to medical school but want to think more critically than someone with a PhD?

lol

That guy has just as clear of an agenda as some of the scientists he's trying to take down (I'm not saying he's wrong, just that he's cherry picking), and he gets to do it from a position of (relative) safety. I also think he drastically sensationalizes the points about scientists lying - most work I've done/read actually understates importance rather than embellishes it. Also his beef on that front needs to be as much with the system of rewarding bold claims as it is with the people making the claims. Big claims = big papers = big grants. His stuff about hating on mouse studies is also lame - most truly useful discoveries that happens in mice go to humans before definitive results are claimed. All of this being said, the general points of his talk are really good and it should be a primer for reading anything, not just science. Critical thinking is a shamefully sparse skill in our society.

Looks like it's PhDs 1 - "critical thinkers" 0

GAME ON.

nawhead - are u advocating eating all fats in higher amounts or primarly good fats in higher amounts? did u adopt this eating habit for general health reasons or something more specific (ie, weigths, sport, cardio) ???
also, do u have a typical/normal daily P/C/F break down of your daily calorie intake? (if so, do you mind sharing?)

It amazes me how often this comes up on a poker forum.

nawhead - are u advocating eating all fats in higher amounts or primarly good fats in higher amounts? did u adopt this eating habit for general health reasons or something more specific (ie, weigths, sport, cardio) ???
also, do u have a typical/normal daily P/C/F break down of your daily calorie intake? (if so, do you mind sharing?)

what are you considering "good" fats (and, for that matter, "bad fats") to be?

lol

That guy has just as clear of an agenda as some of the scientists he's trying to take down (I'm not saying he's wrong, just that he's cherry picking), and he gets to do it from a position of (relative) safety. I also think he drastically sensationalizes the points about scientists lying - most work I've done/read actually understates importance rather than embellishes it. Also his beef on that front needs to be as much with the system of rewarding bold claims as it is with the people making the claims. Big claims = big papers = big grants. His stuff about hating on mouse studies is also lame - most truly useful discoveries that happens in mice go to humans before definitive results are claimed. All of this being said, the general points of his talk are really good and it should be a primer for reading anything, not just science. Critical thinking is a shamefully sparse skill in our society.

i agree with all your points. i hesitated whether i should post this video since it can used to deconstruct the speaker as well (i also want to cherry pick). setting aside some of his bolder conclusions, i thought the basic info for understanding medical studies was too worthwhile not to share. if we can cut down blind reliance on authority a notch and give us a leg on which to think for ourselves and not feel helpless, i think that's a good result.

and you see what i did to pique interest with my titillating headlines? don't hate the playa, hate the game.

nawhead - are u advocating eating all fats in higher amounts or primarly good fats in higher amounts? did u adopt this eating habit for general health reasons or something more specific (ie, weigths, sport, cardio) ???
also, do u have a typical/normal daily P/C/F break down of your daily calorie intake? (if so, do you mind sharing?)

i experimented with this diet for several reasons, main one being i was dissatisfied with my quality of life sticking to the high carb advice. i was getting more tired generally, losing alertness throughout the day, was gaining weight tho i'm the classic "skinny dude that can eat a whole pizza" when i was younger, and basically felt something was not right.

i take the broad concepts of LCHF but don't get religious about it. i try to avoid all juices and sweeteners, cereal and bread, then eat whatever's left, preferring fatty cuts of meat. i also take my coffee black, drink red wine and craft beer occasionally (yeah, super high in malt sugars), and this keeps me happy and fit.

if you want to get more detailed than that, i'm not the right person to ask, since i don't count things that might/might not have a real effect. maybe Dr. Eenfeldt's basic page can be of more help? http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

It amazes me how often this comes up on a poker forum.

i think maximizing our mental focus throughout the day is of high interest to poker players. i didn't initially do this for the weight loss specifically, tho that was a side benefit.

Nowhereman is right about getting bloodwork done when you change a diet radically. As for my personal experience I did Atkins for a long time basically as unhealthily as you can do it. I basically ate bacon and meat and fried chicken wings, just all the "worst" stuff you can eat and I lost a ton of weight had awesome consistent energy, my cardio workouts were insanely improved within a week, but my weight lifting numbers dropped.

My dad, uncle, dad's friend, and cousin all did this diet too, all had bloodwork done, and all had dramatically improved cholesterol and triglyceride numbers. All of their doctors were shocked as they basically recoiled in horror when the Atkins diet was first mentioned. This is anecdotal though obviously.

This was also a couple years ago, since then my dad has mentioned Atkins/low carb eating and most of his doctors are pretty open to the idea there just isn't a whole lot of long term studying that has been done yet. I really believe that the high carb/low fat thing is simply not a great way for many people to eat though.

what are you considering "good" fats (and, for that matter, "bad fats") to be?

there are 4 types of fat. 2 good and 2 bad. The good fats are mono & polyunsaturated fats, the bad are trans and saturated fats. Mono & Poly are very good for the body and are drastically less likely to be stored as actual fat with the body.

there are 4 types of fat. 2 good and 2 bad. The good fats are mono & polyunsaturated fats, the bad are trans and saturated fats. Mono & Poly are very good for the body and are drastically less likely to be stored as actual fat with the body.

ah this should be fun. tell me why saturated fat is bad, and tell me why these "good" fats are less likely to be stored as actual fat in the body.

ah this should be fun. tell me why saturated fat is bad.

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Jason I am just curious (and because I respect your opinion): if you had to pick one diet book that best encapsulated your thoughts on what a good and balanced diet is for general living?

avocados, salmon, foi gras = good fat
donuts, french fries, pork rinds = bad fats

id like to see you provide evidence to suggest otherwise...

id like to see you provide evidence to suggest otherwise...

nice try. you started it - prove your points. Use scientific articles, not wikipedia.

Jason I am just curious (and because I respect your opinion): if you had to pick one diet book that best encapsulated your thoughts on what a good and balanced diet is for general living?

I'm not really sure tbh. I'd have to look over a few to really know what's in them. FWIW my general eating strategy (the one I follow at least) is pretty simple:

- Eat stuff that was alive (meat, fruit, veggies, dairy, nuts)
- Stick to the outer ring of the grocery store (generally follows the first point) with the possible exception of frozen versions of products from the first point
- Eat as little processed food as possible
- If you run/work out a lot, eat rice/oatmeal - you won't die
- When you do eat processed/bad food, do it right, enjoy it, DO NOT DWELL ON IT, and move on. In other words, if you're going to eat a dessert, don't eat low-carb ice cream or paleo brownies or whatever. Eat goddamn pot de creme or something.

- When you do eat processed/bad food, do it right, enjoy it, DO NOT DWELL ON IT, and move on. In other words, if you're going to eat a dessert, don't eat low-carb ice cream or paleo brownies or whatever. Eat goddamn pot de creme or something.

Amen. I saw whole grain baked donuts at a coffee shop the other day. Why in God's name?!?! Healthy junk-food?...I just don't get it...you're doing it wrong!

there are 4 types of fat. 2 good and 2 bad. The good fats are mono & polyunsaturated fats, the bad are trans and saturated fats. Mono & Poly are very good for the body and are drastically less likely to be stored as actual fat with the body.

The FDA food pyramid is not exactly the gold standard anymore

I agree with low carb high fat diet, it makes a lot of sense to eat as much as we can the same types of foods eat ate and evolved eating over millions of years. (meat, fruit, veggies, dairy, nuts)

What is astounding to me is how can the NHS have it so wrong? http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1124.aspx?CategoryID=51&SubCategoryID=167

Is it basically a myth put out by processed food companies? Who has funded most of these studies that say high saturated fat is bad? I'm sure there's a conspiracy in there some where and boy do I love a good conspiracy theory!

What is astounding to me is how can the NHS have it so wrong? http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1124.aspx?CategoryID=51&SubCategoryID=167

Which foods contain saturated fat?

fatty meats and meat products, such as sausages and pies

Not sure how pies sneaked in there...