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That artificial meat sounds awesome. I'm no vegan but go on youtube and tell me factory farming isn't more disgusting than lab grown meat.

If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. Why create an abomination of nature to eat? Just eat a carrot.

scary thought. but if it's stem cells of muscles, it could just as well turn someone into a superhero with cow powers.

artificial meat... FOR SCIENCE!

Digest enemies in four consecutive stomachs, reducing them to cude you can chew later?

Has possibilities...

Digest enemies in four consecutive stomachs, reducing them to cude you can chew later?

Has possibilities...

that's just silly. cows are herbivores.

Cow-Man would most likely horn evildoers. Cow-Woman would most likely be the scientist on the team and have the ability to fly and rejuvenate teammembers with her milk.

it's really not hard. have fun! and gl.

back to basics:
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-i/

Thanks for links. Good stuff.

Cow-Woman would most likely be the scientist on the team and have the ability to fly and rejuvenate teammembers with her milk.

Wonder woman should do this

dune anybody?

Trying to stick to a diet of only meats, fruits, and vegetables as best I can for the next couple months. We'll see how it goes.....

I've been doing this for the last week or so and I feel a lot more energized it's pretty damn cool. I take a multivitamin in the morning drink a lot of water throughout the day and basically try to not eat anything processed.

I've been doing this for the last week or so and I feel a lot more energized it's pretty damn cool. I take a multivitamin in the morning drink a lot of water throughout the day and basically try to not eat anything processed.

Nice. My diet isn't terrible right now, but I could be a lot better. The hard thing for me is going to be breakfast. I pretty much eat peanut butter on toast everyday since it's simple and also so good.

Nice. My diet isn't terrible right now, but I could be a lot better. The hard thing for me is going to be breakfast. I pretty much eat peanut butter on toast everyday since it's simple and also so good.

Yeah true that. You could always go organic peanut butter on a banana with raisins, shits real good & not terrible for you as long as you work out and whatnot.

Yeah true that. You could always go organic peanut butter on a banana with raisins, shits real good & not terrible for you as long as you work out and whatnot.

Thanks, 'll have to try that. I usually work out right away in the mornings so not too worried about getting some calories in the AM.

Thought I would post an update in here since, well, I dunno why. Maybe you guys can give me some more critiques.

On week 5 of doing p90x and the cleanest diet I've ever had. Haven't exercised this hard in years and haven't skipped a day of the program yet. Worst food I've had so far is a couple pieces of pizza during super bowl and some chips and salsa one night and 1 heart shaped cinnamon roll my wife made for valentines day (lol), otherwise it's been heavy fish/chicken/steak and tons of salad/vegetables. I'm still not eating many carbs outside some fruit. Of the past 5 weeks I've had rice or pasta for maybe 5 meals and no bread since some english muffins the first week.

Down 11 lbs so far and noticed some strength gains (couldn't do any pullups to start, now can do a few of each type, can do significantly more pushups and ab exercises). Cardio getting better but still probably my weakest thing.

For those of you who have watched my Pokersense series, I'm starting to think/wonder (but not 100% convinced) that the whole "I'm working out every day and eating right and I feel great!!!!" line is just cognitive dissonance at work. I think it would be so mentally painful to make massive life changes and not get some sort of satisfaction/reward/results/better feeling that people decide they feel better regardless of actually feeling better or not. I wish I had some data to back this up. What do you guys think? Mind game or for real? I don't think I feel any better than when I was eating hot wings and french fries all the time. It feels good to hear my wife say she can see and feel a difference, but I don't think that's what people mean when they give that line?

Thoughts?

For those of you who have watched my Pokersense series, I'm starting to think/wonder (but not 100% convinced) that the whole "I'm working out every day and eating right and I feel great!!!!" thing is just cognitive dissonance at work. I think it would be so mentally painful to make massive life changes and not get some sort of satisfaction/reward/results/better feeling that people decide they feel better regardless of actually feeling better or not. I wish I had some data to back this up. What do you guys think? Mind game or for real? I don't think I feel any better than when I was eating hot wings and french fries all the time. It feels good to hear my wife say she can see and feel a difference, but I don't think that's what people mean when they give that line?

Science is pretty young when it comes to analyzing this, but you'd probably appreciate this:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/how-exercise-fuels-the-brain/

Specifically:

The findings of their subsequent follow-up experiment, however, were even more intriguing and consequential. In that study, which appears in this month’s issue of The Journal of Physiology, the researchers studied animals after a single bout of exercise and also after four weeks of regular, moderate-intensity running.

After the single session on the treadmill, the animals were allowed to rest and feed, and then their brain glycogen levels were studied. The food, it appeared, had gone directly to their heads; their brain levels of glycogen not only had been restored to what they had been before the workout, but had soared past that point, increasing by as much as a 60 percent in the frontal cortex and hippocampus and slightly less in other parts of the brain. The astrocytes had “overcompensated,” resulting in a kind of brain carbo-loading.

The levels, however, had dropped back to normal within about 24 hours.

That was not the case, though, if the animals continued to exercise. In those rats that ran for four weeks, the “supercompensation” became the new normal, with their baseline levels of glycogen showing substantial increases compared with the sedentary animals. The increases were especially notable in, again, those portions of the brain critical to learning and memory formation — the cortex and the hippocampus.

Which is why the findings are potentially so meaningful – and not just for rats.

While a brain with more fuel reserves is potentially a brain that can sustain and direct movement longer, it also “may be a key mechanism underlying exercise-enhanced cognitive function,” says Hideaki Soya, a professor of exercise biochemistry at the University of Tsukuba and senior author of the studies, since supercompensation occurs most strikingly in the parts of the brain that allow us better to think and to remember. As a result, Dr. Soya says, “it is tempting to suggest that increased storage and utility of brain glycogen in the cortex and hippocampus might be involved in the development” of a better, sharper brain.

Referencing this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21521757 for those who have access.

Rob

really interesting read Rob, thanks!

I had read conflicting things before (granted, mostly unscientific) about post-workout calories/carbs. I know you mentioned it a few times earlier in this thread. I'm going to give it a shot for a while.

Science is pretty young when it comes to analyzing this, but you'd probably appreciate this:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/how-exercise-fuels-the-brain/

Referencing this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21521757 for those who have access.

Rob

wish there are studies like for LC-adapted humans.

http://waroninsulin.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance

i understand glycogen restoration better now, but i'm still not sold on needing to restore glycogen if we're properly adapted to LCHF. it just seems like doing this would train the body to still prefer burning sugar during exercise, and in turn the rest of the day as well.

and the brain can run just as well on ketones. i haven't ate anything in 14 hours but a piece of chocolate and a cup of coffee. do i sound ok?

I don't think I feel any better than when I was eating hot wings and french fries all the time. It feels good to hear my wife say she can see and feel a difference, but I don't think that's what people mean when they give that line?

Thoughts?

if there are measurable changes in your body composition, why would it be just a line?

are you feeling hungry? do you still eat every 4 hours or so? what and how much vegetables are you eating a ton of?

and you could try some intermittent fasting and see how your body responds now (hunger as well as lucidity) to see if you've transitioned to burning fat or are still burning sugar.

For those of you who have watched my Pokersense series, I'm starting to think/wonder (but not 100% convinced) that the whole "I'm working out every day and eating right and I feel great!!!!" line is just cognitive dissonance at work. I think it would be so mentally painful to make massive life changes and not get some sort of satisfaction/reward/results/better feeling that people decide they feel better regardless of actually feeling better or not. I wish I had some data to back this up. What do you guys think? Mind game or for real? I don't think I feel any better than when I was eating hot wings and french fries all the time. It feels good to hear my wife say she can see and feel a difference, but I don't think that's what people mean when they give that line?

Thoughts?

I think it's a little of both. You definitely are going to feel better mentally if you're taking good care of yourself. I also think there's something to be said for treating your body right though ie.(exercising, eating healthy, taking vitamins/supplements). I know for sure I've noticed a difference in my focus, energy level, and overall more positive mood since I've went from eating junk food/laying around all day to eating healthy and exercising daily. I think you have a good point about this being an example of cognitive dissonance because the whole mood part could be me feeling accomplished with the life changes or w/e.

wish there are studies like for LC-adapted humans.
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i haven't ate anything in 14 hours but a piece of chocolate and a cup of coffee. do i sound ok?

yeah i see the typo.

i'm gonna go for a run now and see if i start hallucinating. wish me luck.

i don't think cognitive dissonance means what you guys think it means. if you were feeling worse now (given due diligence in understanding possible early discomfort in keto-adaptation) or haven't lost any weight or had no body changes after a few weeks but rationalize it away, that would be cognitive dissonance.

i'm gonna go for a run now and see if i start hallucinating. wish me luck.

the route was 6 miles. the time was 56:04. i'm no gazelle, and i'm not conditioned right now. my current pace is around 9:00/mi running 2 times/week of 3 mile avg per run. i felt a bit tired at first and was doing a lot of stopping the first 2 miles, but i settled in for the last 4.

i feel... ok. but that could just be the endorphins.

time to break the fast with a ribeye and a nice pinot.

i haven't ate anything in 14 hours but a piece of chocolate and a cup of coffee. do i sound ok?

I'm no expert but this can't be good

The Wikipedia is pretty clear on cognitive dissonance for anyone that needs reference. In this case the cognitive conflict/dissonance is the expectation to feel significantly better vs the reality of not really feeling better after extensive exercise (and therefore feeling crappy and conflicted with expectation vs reality). Therefore the brain would try to rationalize this difference by telling yourself and others you feel great or overstating the situation to reduce the dissonance (feeling like you've wasted a bunch of time, energy, and cheeseburgers).

I don't think I feel any better than when I was eating hot wings and french fries all the time. It feels good to hear my wife say she can see and feel a difference, but I don't think that's what people mean when they give that line?

Thoughts?

This is what I was talking about earlier. Yeah I still eat bread and drink milk, but the real change in me was the get off my assness. I eat more protein than anything else, but it didn't give me a bunch more energy. Doing things instead of sitting around isn't 'more energy', it's just doing something instead of nothing. I think a lot of people change two things (diet and activity level), and then draw conclusions that aren't really supported. Does one have more energy when working out compared to sitting on a couch, or does it just seem that way because hey, you're getting dressed to go to the gym to workout?



BTW, keep the wings, lose the fries IMO. Once a week or so isn't going to kill you, and they are chicken (protein) after all.

if there are measurable changes in your body composition, why would it be just a line?

are you feeling hungry? do you still eat every 4 hours or so? what and how much vegetables are you eating a ton of?

and you could try some intermittent fasting and see how your body responds now (hunger as well as lucidity) to see if you've transitioned to burning fat or are still burning sugar.

I'm calling it a line because me having a slimmer stomach makes me "feel good" in terms of accomplishing something but not necessarily "feel good" in terms of some other internal feeling or emotional boost. I guess the sentence in and of itself is ambiguous enough that it could be taken many different ways (feeling of touch, feeling of accomplishment, feeling self esteem, feeling of having more energy, feeling like I could outrun a horde of zombies now without losing my breath, or more). Perhaps I was just putting too much weight into one aspect of "feeling great." I did enough weight training and exercising as a youth and young adult being very involved in sports to know how long it takes to get real results, and I wasn't necessarily expecting any sort of mystical new feeling in the 5th week of a new exercise initiative, but it did strike me as kind of funny when I remember hearing people say this or seeing it on tv commercials or similar. It seems like it's constantly used as an excuse/motivator to tell people to get off their ass and work out.

Most of the veggies I'm eating (in order of quantity) are lettuce, green and red peppers, cucumbers, carrots, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower

intermittent fasting is definitely something i want to try at some point. The lean gains site seems awesome, but I'm going to stick with nowhereman's advice for a while that IF might be a bit FPS for me at this point just getting back into being more active.

This is what I was talking about earlier. Yeah I still eat bread and drink milk, but the real change in me was the get off my assness. I eat more protein than anything else, but it didn't give me a bunch more energy. Doing things instead of sitting around isn't 'more energy', it's just doing something instead of nothing. I think a lot of people change two things (diet and activity level), and then draw conclusions that aren't really supported. Does one have more energy when working out compared to sitting on a couch, or does it just seem that way because hey, you're getting dressed to go to the gym to workout?



BTW, keep the wings, lose the fries IMO. Once a week or so isn't going to kill you, and they are chicken (protein) after all.

Well said. The higher cognitive function link that Rob posted definitely has my interest piqued on that. I think I can use that as another motivator for myself to stick with it.

As for the hot wings, I love them breaded and fried ... protein but a lot of other crap in it too especially since a lot of wing sauce is loaded with butter.

intermittent fasting is definitely something i want to try at some point. The lean gains site seems awesome, but I'm going to stick with nowhereman's advice for a while that IF might be a bit FPS for me at this point just getting back into being more active.

Something like skipping dinner once a week can be a super easy start. Although tbh I haven't researched any of this IM fasting stuff and am just doing the skip dinner thing because some people said it was good (increased insulin sensitivity/avoids protein uptake down regulation/etc, kinda makes sense). I also have way more energy, feel more awake and can do bigger workouts on that meal skip night which is pretty interesting as I expect most people would think you'd be sluggish/weak when skipping a meal... I suspect on a high carb diet that may be true. Anyways that's all the potentially misinformed anecdotal drivel I can eject for today.

Edit: Oh and weirdly I don't really get hungry on these nights (especially if I'm drinking a decent amount of water), even the next morning I don't wake up starving for food... just kind of feels normal which I didn't expect.

I had no idea intermittent fasting was a thing. I've been skipping meals for years just because I wasn't hungry, or got busy/distracted and forgot to eat. I'm on the cutting edge (of ignorance).