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Someone mentioned acne here so I figured I could throw my 2 cents here.

Acne is not natural for humans and it's caused by animal products because they stimulate some hormone production, unfortunately I can't remember which, but you can check out from youtube Dr. McDougall on acne.

So why is it more prevalent amongst teenagers? They aren't eating more animal products than someone older.

Lymecycline works goods.

i used to be on tetracycline when younger. i do agree these drugs work. but they're very powerful and expensive.

try skin therapy. Worked great for me and I had it 'badly'

is that similar to Pro-Active? i found that worked decently for me. i just got tired of it after awhile since it took up so much of my time.

i guess i gave up on expensive, time-consuming solutions once i got into my 20's and i still had severe break-outs. you get a thick skin (no pun) about it once you get older. then i started LCHF and lo and behold the skin started clearing up out of nowhere. you can read testimonials from other people who report similar results on paleo forums. and i haven't had a major outbreak in 1 year (correlation is not causation ).

So why is it more prevalent amongst teenagers? They aren't eating more animal products than someone older.

Can't say, but for some reason it just happens to be like that, has been for ages. Maybe it's caused by those changes in body??

i am not sure what pro-active is.

Skin therapy here is:
Therapist that specialize in the skin. People with cancer and aids go there too, when their wounds get to painful. But they also specialize in all kind of rashes and acne.

Its very painful. getting a tattoo is like 0.000001 of the pain you will get from skin therapy and acne

Nawhead,

I'm from the UK, so I don't pay for meds

Some people associate worsening acne with high glycemic. A lot of it is hereditary, and due your body producing too much of a serum I believe.

I eat a paleo diet and I can honestly say I've never felt better in my life!! The rest of the world needs to get on this diet!! I haven't cut out carbs at all I get as much as I need from fruit and veg just not from grains or sugar. I've been doing it almost a year now and my energy levels have increased, my skin has improved, my mood has improved, I've stopped getting ill, I've never looked better and I've never been in better shape.

To anyone who is saying its rubbish all I will say is don't knock it until you've tried it. I seriously can't imagine anyone going back to any other way of eating after doing this for a couple of months. I can't praise this diet enough it has changed my life! I know how unrealistic all this sounds but it's true!

To see some of the amazing things that it can do watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc

Food is medicine

I don't want to start war here, but I must say that low carb thing is fail although it's one step above SAD (Standard American Diet) as they eat natural foods, hopefully.

This is my first post apparently so go easy on me. ^_^

welcome to the forums then, MikaYoda.

i will go easy and only refer you to Page 1.

welcome to the forums then, MikaYoda.

i will go easy and only refer you to Page 1.

Thanks nawhead.

I recommend you check out this channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/robertmorsend?feature=g-u-u

It's funny how you can cure diseases, that have been labeled as incurable my modern medicine, simply by going all fruit or green juices or just water fasting. All that "war" against cancer that costs billions and they can't see it . I wish they could use that kind of money to something that really would help people instead of killing them, although I guess that keeps the population growth under control

Every cell in human needs glucose which you get from carbs so it makes no sense to eliminate your preferred fuel. Some of you might say that "but liver produces necessary glucose.........." and yeah it does, for survival.

The less animal products you eat, the healthier you will be

Yoda if you're going to throw out strong statements like that you're going to have to back them up with something.

Thanks nawhead.

I recommend you check out this channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/robertmorsend?feature=g-u-u

It's funny how you can cure diseases, that have been labeled as incurable my modern medicine, simply by going all fruit or green juices or just water fasting. All that "war" against cancer that costs billions and they can't see it . I wish they could use that kind of money to something that really would help people instead of killing them, although I guess that keeps the population growth under control

o my..

Yoda if you're going to throw out strong statements like that you're going to have to back it up with something.

Oh sorry, I figured that was obvious/general knowledge. For the glucose thing you can check out wikipedia for human biology.

For animal products causing problems, milk for one:

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/12/new-study-increased-milk-intake-does-not-protect-against-osteoporosis-but-does-promote-ovarian-and-p.html

I'm sorry if these sources aren't good enough, but I have learned that areas where milk has been consumed tons, they have found signs of osteoporosis on their bones. Also, eating too much meat is known to cause disease since it's hard for humans to digest and it ends up sitting inside our gut for days hence colon cancer is often caused by meat.

source: The China Study for one? / random studies conducted by universities.

Oh sorry, I figured that was obvious/general knowledge. For the glucose thing you can check out wikipedia for human biology.

For animal products causing problems, milk for one:

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/12/new-study-increased-milk-intake-does-not-protect-against-osteoporosis-but-does-promote-ovarian-and-p.html

I'm sorry if these sources aren't good enough, but I have learned that areas where milk has been consumed tons, they have found signs of osteoporosis on their bones. Also, eating too much meat is known to cause disease since it's hard for humans to digest and it ends up sitting inside our gut for days hence colon cancer is often caused by meat.

source: The China Study for one? / random studies conducted by universities.

i think Mitch meant this: "t's funny how you can cure diseases, that have been labeled as incurable my modern medicine, simply by going all fruit or green juices or just water fasting."

i think Mitch meant this: "t's funny how you can cure diseases, that have been labeled as incurable my modern medicine, simply by going all fruit or green juices or just water fasting."

OH I see! It's hard to convince others though so I won't even begin to try this. It's something you need that a-ha moment for, and you get it from studying.

Water fasting for one has been used by humans and animals for so long that I can't even count that far. When you drink only water, your body starts healing itself faster because you don't need to deal with digestion during that time. Acne disappears very easily during water fast / green juice fast / fruitarian diet but comes back as soon as you start eating bad things again hence it's caused by those bad foods. It's really interesting topic and I recommend reading on water fasting as well as juice fasting and fruitarian diets and well anything, even paleo. Once you do the studying, the testimonials and proofs pop up.

Sounds like you were just eating poorly pre-LCHF.

define "eating poorly"

Its very painful. getting a tattoo is like 0.000001 of the pain you will get from skin therapy and acne

wow. cystic acne can be very painful tho, so i might have gone for it at one time. def not now tho.

I eat a paleo diet and I can honestly say I've never felt better in my life!! The rest of the world needs to get on this diet!! I haven't cut out carbs at all I get as much as I need from fruit and veg just not from grains or sugar. I've been doing it almost a year now and my energy levels have increased, my skin has improved, my mood has improved, I've stopped getting ill, I've never looked better and I've never been in better shape.

hi-five!

source: The China Study for one? / random studies conducted by universities.

i'll be back.

When you drink only water, your body starts healing itself faster because you don't need to deal with digestion during that time.

What's there to heal?

What's there to heal?

Things that don't do good for human body such as random toxins. Human body is constantly healing itself from these things through liver. If you drink alcohol for example, then you will be "healing" from that, otherwise we would just die from the smallest things.

Things that don't do good for human body such as random toxins. Human body is constantly healing itself from these things through liver. If you drink alcohol for example, then you will be "healing" from that, otherwise we would just die from the smallest things.

And you believe this based on what? Sorry if this is coming off annoying, I know you've already tried to shrug it off by saying it's hard to convince others, but the few pieces of evidence I've been able to find show detoxing doesn't work. Fortunately we can measure toxin excretion levels in different parts of the body and I've yet to find anything that shows these levels rising (which is what the detox community specifically says is happening), so I would be interested to see if you've found anything supporting your position.

I used to believe a lot of this stuff btw (even flew to an island to do a water detox!) so I've been on both sides, but I've slowly come around to a more evidence based rationality. It made me realize a lot of the things I used to believe just because they sounded right or seemed good, and could give just as many psuedo-scientific reasons as you for why they should work, but unfortunately a lot of these weren't backed up by strong evidence. Further I used to be a "this study says so, so it must be right!" kind of person, unaware that many studies are very biased, poorly controlled or draw conclusions that aren't supported by the data (China Study) and that repeat studies are absolutely vital before taking any finding seriously.

Oh sorry, I figured that was obvious/general knowledge.

For animal products causing problems, milk for one:

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/12/new-study-increased-milk-intake-does-not-protect-against-osteoporosis-but-does-promote-ovarian-and-p.html

source: The China Study for one? / random studies conducted by universities.

1. How do we evaluate medical studies?

Observational Studies by Michael R Eades, MD

Science for Smart People (Youtube) by Tom Naughton

"Flying in the face of the usual corporate "milk-for-strong-bones!" propaganda is the latest study on the subject. A recent meta-analysis (2010 Oct 14 - Epub) of cohort studies of over 500,000 men and women found no relationship between milk intake and hip fracture rate."
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/12/new-study-increased-milk-intake-does-not-protect-against-osteoporosis-but-does-promote-ovarian-and-p.html

we'll be able to evalute the above study better after we learn the difference between observational/cohort/epidemiological studies and clinical studies.

2. Re-evaluate the China Study, an observational study

3. Evaluate clinical studies between LC (low carb) and LF (low fat) diets.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/weight-loss-time-to-stop-denying-the-science

Low-Carbohydrate Diet Review : Shifting the Paradigm (Hite, Goldstein Berkowitz and Berkowitz, 2011)

4. and i could be sold either way on fasting.


oh, and if you missed it on the front page, The Food Revolution - Ancestral Health Symposium 2011, just a LCHF presentation.

and while you're doing that, i'll be studying up on Robert Morsend N.D., D.Sc., M.H..

And you believe this based on what? Sorry if this is coming off annoying, I know you've already tried to shrug it off by saying it's hard to convince others, but the few pieces of evidence I've been able to find show detoxing doesn't work. Fortunately we can measure toxin excretion levels in different parts of the body and I've yet to find anything that shows these levels rising (which is what the detox community specifically says is happening), so I would be interested to see if you've found anything supporting your position.

I used to believe a lot of this stuff btw (even flew to an island to do a water detox!) so I've been on both sides, but I've slowly come around to a more evidence based rationality. It made me realize a lot of the things I used to believe just because they sounded right or seemed good, and could give just as many psuedo-scientific reasons as you for why they should work, but unfortunately a lot of these weren't backed up by strong evidence. Further I used to be a "this study says so, so it must be right!" kind of person, unaware that many studies are very biased, poorly controlled or draw conclusions that aren't supported by the data (China Study) and that repeat studies are absolutely vital before taking any finding seriously.

Well, detoxing is misunderstood generally. I saw some documentary where they put some women to some camp to detox with some root vegetables and what not which is kinda silly. Personally I'm not into studies and things like that, I just prefer to trust what I see.

I know that when you do X, then Y happens, but I am not sure why it is so and I'm not sure if science has figured it out or if I can trust the sources, but fact is that when X then Y. I'm not fully interested in the process.

I also prefer to take advice from/trust people who get results so, suppose I had a cancer, I would never ever do chemo just because doctors suggest it, simply because it's a death sentence. You don't heal disease by attacking it, you must fix the cause. Hippocrates got it right though, he knew that human body heals itself if you give good conditions for it = diet. While it's true that paleo-ways do help on many health issues, why stop there? Take it few steps above.

Must remember to not confuse healing and maintaining though. But when you have acne and you do a green juice fast for 3 weeks, your acne disappears in matter of days and this is called detoxing. From what I hear, the toxins come out of the cells which makes the acne disappear or something like this, but how do I prove it? It's a fact that fat cells store toxins though but I can't say for sure it's what happens.

Sorry that this text is slightly too confusing.

Well, detoxing is misunderstood generally. I saw some documentary where they put some women to some camp to detox with some root vegetables and what not which is kinda silly. Personally I'm not into studies and things like that, I just prefer to trust what I see.

I know that when you do X, then Y happens, but I am not sure why it is so and I'm not sure if science has figured it out or if I can trust the sources, but fact is that when X then Y. I'm not fully interested in the process.

I also prefer to take advice from/trust people who get results so, suppose I had a cancer, I would never ever do chemo just because doctors suggest it, simply because it's a death sentence. You don't heal disease by attacking it, you must fix the cause. Hippocrates got it right though, he knew that human body heals itself if you give good conditions for it = diet. While it's true that paleo-ways do help on many health issues, why stop there? Take it few steps above.

Must remember to not confuse healing and maintaining though. But when you have acne and you do a green juice fast for 3 weeks, your acne disappears in matter of days and this is called detoxing. From what I hear, the toxins come out of the cells which makes the acne disappear or something like this, but how do I prove it? It's a fact that fat cells store toxins though but I can't say for sure it's what happens.

Sorry that this text is slightly too confusing.

Ok, any chance we could step away from the water cleansing and talk about mechanisms/processes/anything remotely scientific here? Also, Jerry Yang and Jamie Gold have amazing lifetime tourney results - would you take poker advice from them?

Things that don't do good for human body such as random toxins. Human body is constantly healing itself from these things through liver. If you drink alcohol for example, then you will be "healing" from that, otherwise we would just die from the smallest things.

Forget fruitarian, breatharian is the way. I exist simply on the energy of the universe.

BTW pass the bong braaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhski

i'll be studying up on Robert Morsend N.D., D.Sc., M.H..

Dr. Morse's OPPOSING OPINION A Naturopathic Perspective

Enjoy!

Dr. Morse's OPPOSING OPINION A Naturopathic Perspective

Enjoy!

oh god, he's a naturopath? lololololol

I don't want to start war here, but I must say that low carb thing is fail although it's one step above SAD (Standard American Diet) as they eat natural foods, hopefully. Every cell in human needs glucose which you get from carbs so it makes no sense to eliminate your preferred fuel. Some of you might say that "but liver produces necessary glucose.........." and yeah it does, for survival. Do you want to live on a survival diet? The one that helped human to evolve this far?

Simply put, you don't want to restrict the amount of water you drink, you don't want to restrict the amount of air you breath, you don't want to restrict the amount of energy you get = carbs. All these affect your quality of life.

Low Fat High Carb is where it's at. Preferred carb source is fruit, 2nd is things like rice and potatoes. The less animal products you eat, the healthier you will be, although for top health you don't have to eliminate them all.

This is my first post apparently so go easy on me. ^_^

It is true that all human cells can, if need be, metabolize glucose. BUT, mitochondria, the energy producers in most human cells, prefer to burn fat. So in the body, fat is the preferred and primary fuel, except in specialist cells which lack mitochondria (red blood cells) or avoid fat metabolism (neurons). Glucose is an ALTERNATIVE fuel that cells burn instead of fat.

One reason most cells prefer fats to glucose as an energy source is that fats burn "cleanly", while glucose, when it is metabolized for energy, produces reactive oxygen species (ROS) that can damage or destroy cells.

Times for glucose: intense workout to replenish glycogen storage, when people have chronic infections and need ROS

Glucose is produced routinely by the body as a consequence of the metabolism of fats. Two glycerols make one molecule of glucose. Recycling of glycerol from fats helps to meet the body's glucose needs, since fats in food enter the body already attached to glycerol backbones.

You can meet the body's glucose needs on a variety of diets:
- Mix of Plants and Meat (high carb diet): eat enough calories per day of starch or glucose
- Only Plants:eat a ketogenic diet full of short-chain saturated fats which the liver metabolizes to ketone bodies. These ketone bodies can replace glucose consumption by the brain and nerves, reducing dietry glucose needs to a minimal level
- Only Meat: if the supply of glucose and short-chain fats is insufficient to meet the body's needs, then the liver will manufacture glucose and ketones from protein

oh god, he's a naturopath? lololololol

Come on give him a chance

"Do yourself a favor and don't fall into the trap and illusion of those who do not know science and misinterpret these types of studies to fit their own misguided belief systems. The homosapian is a frugivore. Fruits are the gifts of the plant kingdom to man. Herbivores eat plants and are designed much differently than we are. (See my book: "The Detox Miracle Sourcebook.") Our clinics' clients have a 90% or better "cure rate" in those that have all types of cancer who go on our health programs. We use a lot of fruits in our health programs, especially grapes. Our cancer clients who used a high amount of grapes eliminated their cancers in as little as 45 days. Most in as little as 2 to 3 months."