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Minimise fruit intake 'cause it'll make you fat but avocado are good? Think you have it a bit backwards


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Fairly sure just have enough so you don't feel full basically, you want a wee bit of food creating energy but you don't want energy to be used to break down the food


Anyway, fairly sure fruit is one of the best things you can have whilst grinding


This should help OP http://www.healthyeatingstartshere.com/lessons/boost-energy-feel-wonderful?awt_l=9yF6h&awt_m=Kw2tj_2ws46U1m

Just get a solid 6-8 meal/day diet going, and just eat w/e you have planned. I had some sort of caffeine source before/during I play (diet redbull or coffee)

fruit (as farmed today) is mostly sugar. sugar spikes blood sugar levels. what goes up comes down. you might as well eat a candy bar if you're eating a "healthy" fruit.

the human body doesn't require carbs to survive. what it does need is fat and protein.

a relatively short primer:
Gary Taubes at Dartmouth

Thin pretzels and hummus for me.

Minimise fruit intake 'cause it'll make you fat but avocado are good? Think you have it a bit backwards

It's a little deeper than "fat must make you fat because it's called... fat!"

Here's a good starting off point - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15817850

comparing a candy bar to fruit is just ridiculous. one's a more concentrated sugar source that's heavily proccessed and the other a less concentrated that is full of minerals and lots of fiber. just because it doesn't require it to survive does not mean it's optimal. and what do you mean by how fruit is farmed today?

that study isn't specific enough to draw any conclusions. no two carbohydrates are alike, and they come packed with other stuff, the carbohydrates that come from a fruit compared to a candy bar for example are radically different, which the study didn't show. but yeah you bring up a valid point anyway. avocados are a lot more energy dense than other fruits, but perhaps the energy from avocados tend to be burnt up a lot quicker and fruits tend to be stored as fat? that would go against everything I know about fruits though so eh




to take it to the next level, technically every food is making us fat. some are more so than others. yes, fruit does make us fat, but no more than nuts, meats, processed foods and grains, + they're very necessary for optimal health

Regarding portion sizing, what amount is consider a reasonable "snack" size for nuts such as almonds? or Fruits and Vegetables? If it matters I'm a mid 20s male in reasonable shape/health.

1/4 cup of almonds maybe? I think a serving size as written on the label is probably fine. Veggies have pretty much no limit, fruits might be something like a medium apple/orange or equivalent amount of other fruit.

yes, fruit does make us fat, but no more than nuts, meats, processed foods and grains, + they're very necessary for optimal health

Fruits aren't really necessary for anything. Also the idea that all foods make us fat in the same way isn't correct, although I'd agree that fruit is lower on the spectrum of things that make people fat.

btw the difference between avocado and fruit is just that avocado = fat and fruit = fructose. Yeah it's fructose with a bunch of fiber and other satiating things that prevent you from eating 5000000 oranges at once, but the fact that it's fructose is why people don't generally love it.

Fruits aren't really necessary for anything. Also the idea that all foods make us fat in the same way isn't correct, although I'd agree that fruit is lower on the spectrum of things that make people fat.

btw the difference between avocado and fruit is just that avocado = fat and fruit = fructose. Yeah it's fructose with a bunch of fiber and other satiating things that prevent you from eating 5000000 oranges at once, but the fact that it's fructose is why people don't generally love it.

wow if this was one guy i'd think this is a level. there's so many studies that say the opposite!

wikipeida:

Fruits are generally high in fiber, water, vitamin C and sugars, although this latter varies widely from traces as in lime, to 61% of the fresh weight of the date.[31] Fruits also contain various phytochemicals that do not yet have an RDA/RDI listing under most nutritional factsheets, and which research indicates are required for proper long-term cellular health and disease prevention. Regular consumption of fruit is associated with reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular disease (especially coronary heart disease), stroke, Alzheimer disease, cataracts, and some of the functional declines associated with aging.[32]

Diets that include a sufficient amount of potassium from fruits and vegetables also help reduce the chance of developing kidney stones and may help reduce the effects of bone-loss. Fruits are also low in calories which would help lower one's calorie intake as part of a weight-loss diet

our ancestors ate a diet primairly composed of fruits, our bodies are built around having fruit

oh and wikipedia again

Clinical studies

In 1971, a short-term study by B. J. Meyer was published in the South African Medical Journal [22] describing how lipid profiles and glucose tolerances improved on a particular fruitarian diet.[23] An earlier 1971 study by Meyer tested a 45 year old teacher who claimed she had eaten only fruits for the past 12 years, who was found to be in "excellent health".[24] In a further trial in the study, body weights of overweight subjects showed a tendency to "level off" at the "'theoretically ideal' weight".[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarian

yeah wasn't saying all food make us fat in the same way, rather technically all food does make us fat

You're going to have to do a lot better than a wikipedia page - which cites a source with a sample size of one! - to convince me of anything on this. To be clear, I'm not saying fruits are terrible, bad, or even neutral. But to say that fruits are this end-all be-all food is just not right.

Also I'd have to check on a few things but I'm nearly certain that every last positive thing found in fruits can be found in a vegetable or berry, without anywhere near the sugar (which is the only part of fruits people aren't in love with).

ETA: I think in general you're missing the point of what the other side of this...whatever it is are saying. The sugar in an orange/apple/grape/whatever is not really different from the sugar in a candy bar. Sure the fruit has other nutrients the candy bar doesn't have, and it has less sugar calorie density or whatever, but sugar is sugar and none of it is good for you. That fact is extremely well established - even your wikipedia page says that fruits have lots of sugar in them.

Rather technically all food does make us fat

also what does this mean?

Fruits aren't really necessary for anything. Also the idea that all foods make us fat in the same way isn't correct, although I'd agree that fruit is lower on the spectrum of things that make people fat.

btw the difference between avocado and fruit is just that avocado = fat and fruit = fructose. Yeah it's fructose with a bunch of fiber and other satiating things that prevent you from eating 5000000 oranges at once, but the fact that it's fructose is why people don't generally love it.

I'm not sure why you say people don't generally love it? Last time I checked, the World Health Organisation and the public health bodies of developed countries were recommending people consume more and not less fruit (and vegetables). I say last time I checked because I haven't looked into it recently, not to be glib.

I think you are far to dismissive of the fiber content that you get with fruit, which is really beneficial to our health. Its true it fills us up, making us less likely to overeat, and helps stuff to keep moving through which has lots of associated benefits.

Fair enough, I respect your view-point, it's not as if I have any solid evidence. Nonetheless, I'd be willing to bet every dollar I had that fruit is very important for optimal health even getting 3:1 and I reckon it'd be very +ev still, so arrogant I am in this regards.

Disagree about all the nutrients and what not can be found in vegetables, why would literally every health diet recommendations advocate fruit? Than again, being one of those pro animal rights people I've discovered how much animal industries have lied and how wide spread they are, so I suppose it's possible it's the same with fruit, although it goes against I've learned from biology/my nutrionist friends

Why is sugar not good for people?

I'm actually quite intrigued; I'm assuming your health conscience, yet you don't eat fruit, or much of it, what does your diet consist of?

also what does this mean?

Everyfood has energy in it, and if consumed enough without enough physical exertion to burn it of, will make somebody fat. Some foods are worse, it might take a 100g of chocolate, 20 oranges or a 100 carrots, but they are will eventually. I mentioned this because I find it pecuilar that you guys mention fruit not being good for weight, considering they have little energy in them and it's desinged to be used as energy, not to be stored as fat

Well blueberries worked for Jamie Gold.

So did his mouth, for one event, now hes a wash up.