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Just starting to try to make a move, but here's the info I'm gathering re: CARBON

Their site has a full page on ways to DEPOSIT, but says very little or nothing about how to WITHDRAW??

They sent a DC member a bad check? (that can't be a good sign)

They have ONLY 9 player tables? I like playing 6-max SNGs....so they don't offer those at any level?


I'd appreciate anyone's comments, don't want to ship any $$$ without a little better understanding Thanx

Well if your outside the US, I would not sign up there. PokerStars, than PartyPoker would be much better choices.

Now if your in the US....Carbon is probably your best bet.

They have grown 61% in last 3 weeks.
More and more US players are flocking to Crabon over any other site right now.

It is pretty easy to deposit using Western Union.

Withdraws are delayed, yes, but honestly what site right now is making timely withdraws to US players ?

You also have Bodog, Lock, Cake as options.

It is a crapshoot right now, and no one can promise anything. As far as will they be around for awhile, or be shut down ala Stars and FT.

No one can promise you will get your money off of the site in a timely manner right now. If your in the US dictatorship.

bottomline, I think Carbon is the best bet right now. But again just my 2 cents

Traffic on merge now is 11k online right now. Most ive seen so far. Traffic is definitely picking up and probably will continue to grow.

They have ONLY 9 player tables? I like playing 6-max SNGs....so they don't offer those at any level?


What are you talking about they have 6 max SNG's and ring games? It says SH by type. If you open the table it says 6 handed...

Hey Joe Tall,

I just signed up for rakeback on carbon via DC. When I inquired there about the details of the $50 MGR free streaming subscription Chris from DC Rakeback told me that he only knows about the $500 MGR full subscription offer. The conversation is below:

Sorry, one more question. For the $50 free DC streaming subscription offer, when does the month start? Is it from the 1st of the month until the last day of the calendar month? When you first hit $50, does the free month start immediately, or do you have to wait until the next month to get access to the videos?

Thanks,
Justin

Hello Justin,

Yes, Carbon Poker pays you daily to your account. Last I checked they make the payments around 1am EST.

I believe the Free DC subscription you are referring to requires $500 MGR in a month. At the end of the month when stats are finalized and your MGR is over $500, you will have an option to click a button and activate your free month subscription, so it will start when you activate it.

You can find out more details here:
http://rakeback.deucescracked.com/outer_pages/dc_promo.html

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Regards,
-Chris

Rakeback support must have forgot. You will get streaming-only access when you reach $50 within a 30-day rolling period.

Example: you reach $50 MGR on the 18th, you are upgraded until the 18th of the next month, then the site will check for $50 MGR again, as long as it's over, you will stay upgraded.

-Joe

Wow the tables at micros are rediculously tight.

Saw 6 FR .10/.25 going.

Only 1 was above 30% PF
2 were10-15%
3 were under 10%

So either it is peak time for uber tight regs, or this is going to be ugly.

Well if your outside the US, I would not sign up there. PokerStars, than PartyPoker would be much better choices.

Now if your in the US....Carbon is probably your best bet.

They have grown 61% in last 3 weeks.
More and more US players are flocking to Crabon over any other site right now.

It is pretty easy to deposit using Western Union.

Withdraws are delayed, yes, but honestly what site right now is making timely withdraws to US players ?

You also have Bodog, Lock, Cake as options.

It is a crapshoot right now, and no one can promise anything. As far as will they be around for awhile, or be shut down ala Stars and FT.

No one can promise you will get your money off of the site in a timely manner right now. If your in the US dictatorship.

bottomline, I think Carbon is the best bet right now. But again just my 2 cents

I disagree with pretty much every point that you make.
1. Carbons has grown 60% but it's all grinders. I rank it as the worse site to play unless that is the only place that any games that you play run.
2. yes, it's easy to deposit with Western Union but I prefer to just use a credit card (no trip to your bank to get the cash, then trip to Western Union, and no $12 fee). I am not in love with the WU deposit option.
3. Bodog, Lock and Cake: no, those are not the only options. How about Everleaf, which is really multiple networks. How about Yantahay?
4. Crapshoot: yes, to some extent. However, I would argue that it's more like a poker game. Think about the situation, what has happened, who is involved, likely next moves. There is some predictability.
5. Actually, I am pretty confident in one withdrawal option that I have right now. It's a wire withdrawal & yes, I will move money from other sites to this site and then wire it. Re-tested this the Monday after black Friday to see where stood. Req'd middle of the night on Sunday, rec'd Wednesday in my bank.

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2. yes, it's easy to deposit with Western Union but I prefer to just use a credit card (no trip to your bank to get the cash, then trip to Western Union, and no $12 fee). I am not in love with the WU deposit option.

Western Union online... hello?

1. Carbons has grown 60% but it's all grinders. I rank it as the worse site to play unless that is the only place that any games that you play run.

3. Bodog, Lock and Cake: no, those are not the only options. How about Everleaf, which is really multiple networks. How about Yantahay?

Cake has even tighter tables then carbon and you can't use a HUD. All sites are going to suck compared to PS and FT. Any site you go to now that takes US players will be filling with grinders. The days of tables being full of fish are gone. Training sites, books, and this damn ban have F-ed up the game forever. The game will make a come back if the ban is lifted but there still won't be fish every where. I use to never see 3 and 4 betting at low limits. I use to see a ton of open limping preflop as well. Unless there some site out there with fish that are not from the US then there is no great site to go to. I say not from the US because they can deposit with a credit card in non US areas.

thats why its time to start looking at games outside of NLHE FR and 6max.

from my understanding tourneys are still very soft, you can learn PLO, PLOHU, NLHU, etc etc. May have to break from the herd to gain an edge elsewhere.

i know from exp the low level tourneys on merge are loaded with awful players shoving terrible hands.

If you think about it all the training sites and all the new players all flock to NLHE and because of the difficulty to deposit and the average joes general limited knowledge of online poker NLHE ring games are super tough these days.

thats why its time to start looking at games outside of NLHE FR and 6max.

from my understanding tourneys are still very soft, you can learn PLO, PLOHU, NLHU, etc etc. May have to break from the herd to gain an edge elsewhere.

i know from exp the low level tourneys on merge are loaded with awful players shoving terrible hands.

If you think about it all the training sites and all the new players all flock to NLHE and because of the difficulty to deposit and the average joes general limited knowledge of online poker NLHE ring games are super tough these days.

+1

does any1 know how many hands would you have to play if i would like to clear the 200% up to 2000$ bonus on carbon? and is bonus deducted from rakeback?

and how are the games on nl100 ? (compared to partypoker)

does any1 know how many hands would you have to play if i would like to clear the 200% up to 2000$ bonus on carbon? and is bonus deducted from rakeback?

and how are the games on nl100 ? (compared to partypoker)

You have to make 150,000 VIPs to clear the entire bonus. The number of hands totally depends on the level you're playing.

does any1 know how many hands would you have to play if i would like to clear the 200% up to 2000$ bonus on carbon? and is bonus deducted from rakeback?

and how are the games on nl100 ? (compared to partypoker)

I can't speak to the first topic, but I've looked at the site numerous times and the games appear to be totally reg-rich nitfests. I mean, at something like 25nl, I saw almost no tables with table VPIPs over 20% (and most were in the mid-teens). That's just insane.

I can't speak to the first topic, but I've looked at the site numerous times and the games appear to be totally reg-rich nitfests. I mean, at something like 25nl, I saw almost no tables with table VPIPs over 20% (and most were in the mid-teens). That's just insane.

I concur. A good table at Merge seems to be around 25% Plrs/Flop. But what can you do?

I concur. A good table at Merge seems to be around 25% Plrs/Flop. But what can you do?

That said, there are still soft spots and plenty of muppets, imo.

[quote]I disagree with pretty much every point that you make.
12. yes, it's easy to deposit with Western Union but I prefer to just use a credit card (no trip to your bank to get the cash, then trip to Western Union, and no $12 fee). I am not in love with the WU deposit option.
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WUonline buddy

Want to take advantage of the rakeback opportunity, will probably use DC rakeback. But I have a couple of questions for those of you with more expereince here.

I see where WUOnline works well for deposits, someone else said something about CC which would work for me - is there a charge for either WU or CC deposits? And a CC deposit from the US will work just doing it thru Carbon? or do I need to use a processor (for which there must be a fee right?)

As for witdrawals - Ive read very littl about anyone actually getting $$$ back out...Some have gotten paper checks but they wouldnt cash at the bank.

Can anyone in the US wiuth experience on Carbon or Merge who has gotten $$$ back outplease clue me in as to how that works, ime rame, etc.

Thanks

Want to take advantage of the rakeback opportunity, will probably use DC rakeback. But I have a couple of questions for those of you with more expereince here.

I see where WUOnline works well for deposits, someone else said something about CC which would work for me - is there a charge for either WU or CC deposits? And a CC deposit from the US will work just doing it thru Carbon? or do I need to use a processor (for which there must be a fee right?)

As for witdrawals - Ive read very littl about anyone actually getting $$$ back out...Some have gotten paper checks but they wouldnt cash at the bank.

Can anyone in the US wiuth experience on Carbon or Merge who has gotten $$$ back outplease clue me in as to how that works, ime rame, etc.

Thanks

CC's - usually won't work. May still be possible on some Merge skins but not Carbon
WU - $12 fee
Withdrawals- industry average is 30 calendar days.
EWallet- Usemywalllet is not a reliable method anymore. I take it you are US, so not any other ewallets for you really.

Want to take advantage of the rakeback opportunity, will probably use DC rakeback. But I have a couple of questions for those of you with more expereince here.

I see where WUOnline works well for deposits, someone else said something about CC which would work for me - is there a charge for either WU or CC deposits? And a CC deposit from the US will work just doing it thru Carbon? or do I need to use a processor (for which there must be a fee right?)

As for witdrawals - Ive read very littl about anyone actually getting $$$ back out...Some have gotten paper checks but they wouldnt cash at the bank.

Can anyone in the US wiuth experience on Carbon or Merge who has gotten $$$ back outplease clue me in as to how that works, ime rame, etc.

Thanks

Some people have been able to use prepaid international visa gift cards, but that really is hit or miss.

Best option is WU. Very quick and easy.

As far as cash outs go, they are saying anywhere from 4-6 weeks right now.

Carbon has its own thread on 2P2 (internet poker forum) Most of your questions can be answered there. They also have a rep in the thread who tries to answer anything you may have concerns over.

I like Carbon so far. It is reg infested, but it is also probably the best we have left as a US player.

Some people have been able to use prepaid international visa gift cards, but that really is hit or miss.
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What is this? I have looked for it and it seems to be a white unicorn.
Typical responses:
Isnt Visa international?
You can use this outside the US.
HUH?

Granted I live in a bad area for this type of thing, but still. All the ones I find and Walgreens and other places are US Visa cards and infact are all the same brand just different pictures. Anyone know where to find them and how to know infact they are the right ones?

I think you should alert people to the fact that WITHDRAWAL TAKES 6-8 WEEKS, and thats if they don't decide to make you jump through additional hoops via their "verification process".
They claim this absurd delay is to protect their customers from online identity fraud. Personally, I don't appreciate when someone urinates on my head and then tells me it's raining.
I find it curious that they can process your deposit in about 60 seconds yet withdrawal takes 2 months. It should be obvious to anyone with an I.Q above a tree stump that they are intentionally making this process unnecessarily cumbersome to limit and discourage people from getting back their money.
There is a market right now of over a half a million poker players up for grabs to the first Poker Site able to provide them with a place to play. They are desperate for anyone who can fill the shoes of Poker Stars or Full Tilt. Well, here's a hint to Carbon Poker, although it should be obvious, making people wait for 2 months to withdraw their money is not the way to capture this market.

I have to take issue with just about everything you said.

Every poker site in existence has a verification process. At Carbon the process takes a little over a day and consists of little more than sending a copy of your driver's license. And yes identity fraud is a problem. I wouldn't join a site that didn't have a verification process.

Of course deposits are faster than withdrawals, the UIGEA affects money coming from a poker site that is cashed in the US, so the sites have hoops to jump through. The money going to a poker site is processed out of the reach of the DOJ. It is the Merge Network not Carbon that pays the players.

The withdrawal period does take too long but your contention that it takes 2 months is a little bit of an exageration. Currently, it generally takes about 5 weeks.


The Merge Network keeps the player's money in an escrow account so they only withdraw money in weekly packets to pay players. Your assumption that they limit withdrawals to discourage people from withdrawing is a bit silly considering that they allow player transfers so people can easily withdraw as much money as they want through the p2p forum at 2+2. Not all sites allow transfers; neither would Carbon if they were trying to hold on to it. I think that it is obvious that Merge is concerned about money being confiscated enroute considering over 90% of the players are from the US and that's something the DOJ has done on numerous occasion.

I was checking out cake as well. The number of 10NL tables for FR is very low and most of the players are very tight. You can't use a HUD on cake as far as I know which is a draw back.

the 10nl FR are not tight at all.theyre actually pretty fishy.the 20 nl fr tables are even fishier.u mustve just caught a bad night or choose ur table poorly.HUD DOES WORK ON CAKE.i didnt think it did until another DC member told me to reroute the directory manually for HEM2 to start reading the HH.and now my HEM2 HUD works just fine.

the 10nl FR are not tight at all.theyre actually pretty fishy.the 20 nl fr tables are even fishier.u mustve just caught a bad night or choose ur table poorly.HUD DOES WORK ON CAKE.i didnt think it did until another DC member told me to reroute the directory manually for HEM2 to start reading the HH.and now my HEM2 HUD works just fine.

yo dawg, way to go with the late response.... you are a year too late