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Poker Video: Misc/Other by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Hello,
Good video. I need an expert opinion. I've taken my first set of lessons over the past 6 weeks and I really learned a lot from my coach. But, the after lesson communication hasn't been the greatest. Although he stressed how available he was to review HH and SNG and that communication after our lessons finished was definitely part of the package, it typically took 3+ days to get an email response. While I wasn't expecting instant response times, within a couple of days would have been easier to apply to the question(s) at hand.
You mentioned in the video that some of your students that you're least happy with tend to be the ones that are looking for more confirmation of their own ideas and that if the student was doing more talking than the coach, he probably wasn't a good student. With these being my first set of real lessons I had a ton of questions that I wanted to get a professional opinion on (habits, theories, what-if scenarios). Some pertaining to the lesson at hand and others on broader topics in the poker landscape.
I definitely don't want to be a bad student or "that guy", so is there a balance between asking too many questions of your coach? I mean, I don't think I was trying to prove the way I had been playing, but moreso, wanted some clarity about the way I played so I wouldn't continue making the same mistakes I'd been making.
It's been a week and a half since our last lesson and I haven't got the video of our last session yet. I've sent him 3 emails and don't want to seem like a stalker. I'm not sure if he's not responsive due to me being a bad student or maybe I just misinterpreted our agreement.
Any constuctive advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

It's a really tough question to answer because the details of the actual back and forth are key. What exactly he said, what exactly you said. In general, as long as you're letting the coach finish his sentences/thoughts before you ask the next question you should be ok. If you find yourself constantly following up with rebuttals phrased as questions or repeating the original question in a new way there's a decent chance that you are "that guy."

However, if this is the only coach you've worked with there's also a decent chance that you just aren't getting great answers to your questions which could lead you to asking "too many."

With respect to the email response time, I would def want quicker responses, but without knowing more specific details it's not a situation where I could say with much confidence that one of you is "in the wrong."

I would encourage everyone to not buy packages without one lesson first and not hire someone at all without at least one good recommendation.

I absolutely agree with the taking one lesson first approach. I certainly don't want to give the impression that he was a bad guy/coach, I just want to get the most out of the experience. I appreciate your time.

Thanks

Guys would you recommend to get coaching, or harass great players so much that they budge, add you on skype and start talking poker with you?

It's free, more personal, and you get a friend rather than being in commercial student teacher relationship.
And even high-stakes pros need friends

Guys would you recommend to get coaching, or harass great players so much that they budge, add you on skype and start talking poker with you?

It's free, more personal, and you get a friend rather than being in commercial student teacher relationship.
And even high-stakes pros need friends

funny

funny

It wasnt a joke

Or does your intuition automatically tell you advice=money and you autorefuse requests from people that want to talk poker and you even find the idea laughable?

Like if I'd ask you to add me on Skype because I am your fan and I think we have similar phylosophy towards poker would you seriously tell me to fuckoff (i na polite way) or want money first?

I thought it was meant to be a joke as well as I couldn't imagine becoming friends/poker buddies with anyone via harassment. By going the path you described, it doesn't sound like a respectful approach and one based on an interest of friendship, more of an interest of free services.

I'm sure if natural interactions lead to the natural formation of friendship, a monetary exchange wouldn't be expected at all.

My question is, what are the intentions or aims of coaching, in terms of wasting time or using time up coaching to gain an income versus just playing poker to make more money?

Is coaching something you guys get satisfaction out of over purely playing to make money?

If money isnt the issue, and its clearly not for some, why coach?

I can't speak for others, but I know I primarily don't coach for financial reasons, but also don't play poker for purely financial reasons either. I enjoy interacting with and educating people that have enthusiasm for the games I play. As the information I provide will hopefully lead to financial gain for the student, my time itself has value and the time spent gaining the information I provide has value, money does change hands.

My question is, what are the intentions or aims of coaching, in terms of wasting time or using time up coaching to gain an income versus just playing poker to make more money?

Is coaching something you guys get satisfaction out of over purely playing to make money?

If money isnt the issue, and its clearly not for some, why coach?

-When you grind hundreds of thousands of hands, it's nice to have something other than playing that is enjoyable and profitable.
- Coaching forces you to think more clearly and concisely.
- It is a challenge.
- It is free of variance.

It wasnt a joke

Or does your intuition automatically tell you advice=money and you autorefuse requests from people that want to talk poker and you even find the idea laughable?

Like if I'd ask you to add me on Skype because I am your fan and I think we have similar phylosophy towards poker would you seriously tell me to fuckoff (i na polite way) or want money first?

I would have thought that watching the episode would answer the question. Specifically the "I don't add people on Skype until they pay me for coaching" part.

Can you imagine the amount of peoople who would be adding the likes of jk3a on skype and start asking them poker questions if he started accepting friend requests from randoms? They would be getting hassled pretty much 24/7 and essentially doling out free coaching.

I would think that "poker friendships" would have to have some sort of mutual benefits and not be entirely one way.

So he would tell me to fuckoff, cool to know
Highstakes pros that don't coach aren't always like that you know, especially when you post on the same forums you'd be surprised how many are willing to chat and give you advice.

thats very true
we have a dutch pokerforum with 2 full tilt pro 1 of them is still very active in the forums
the other (rob hollink) used to be also. but isnt anymore

but always willing to talk poker even with the micro stakers

Well...

It's not like the DC coaches don't spend a ton of time on the forums giving free advice...

They're not sitting in their mansions sipping Kristal and laughing at us little folk.

They're not sitting in their mansions sipping Kristal and laughing at us little folk.

Really? I always imagined that's what Krantz has been doing over the last few years.

Well...

It's not like the DC coaches don't spend a ton of time on the forums giving free advice...

They're not sitting in their mansions sipping Kristal and laughing at us little folk.

thats true and i didnt mean it in a bad way
dc is also much larger then that dutch site so posting in every thread would be a 24/7 job here