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Poker Video: Misc/Other by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

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For me i'd say it's around 50%+

Obv have to watch this vid, and so far totally agree with (almost) everything

Lost the best show ever is lol, it's not even close

Great content as usual.

Is LOST the best TV show ever?

Could you discuss the results needed to be qualified to coach a particular game and limit?
For example if i wanted to coach nl25-nl100 6max, would a 200K sample with a 3ptbb winrate at nl200 be around the minimum?
Would it be reasonable to coach players struggling to move up to nl200 or break even regs at 200nl with say a 4ptbb nl200 winrate?
I realise there are other important factors to being a good coach but this seems pretty crucial.

Could you discuss the results needed to be qualified to coach a particular game and limit?
For example if i wanted to coach nl25-nl100 6max, would a 200K sample with a 3ptbb winrate at nl200 be around the minimum?
Would it be reasonable to coach players struggling to move up to nl200 or break even regs at 200nl with say a 4ptbb nl200 winrate?
I realise there are other important factors to being a good coach but this seems pretty crucial.

You could be a good candidate to coach some players that play lower than you. You also need to be well spoken, internalize and verbalize your responses well, etc.

The thing is winrates aren't as objective of a measure as many would like them to be. Things like what sites you play, how well you game select, how well you play, variance, whether or not you start games, whether or not you instantly leave when fish sit out, and a whole host of other issues will effect it to some degree and if you do some of the winrate simulations like I did in the bankroll management video you can see that even over samples of hundreds of thousands of hands that winrates can vary greatly.

If you want to get into coaching, I would start coaching some people for free (or really cheap) and give you feedback about how you did, then if you're confident you can help people, have the students you coached recommend you to others or blog about it or post on forums etc

Love it. I am very pleased to see that you guys take it this seriously,

The other major training site that I see that has a simple access point for PMing them for coaching is Leggo Poker...

But I would BET those dudes don't take things as seriously and as professionally as DC. No shot.

Is LOST the best TV show ever?

Last show I was into....."don't tell me what i can't do!"

Great video guys! A lot of what you say seems obvious, but apparently its not necessarily something that is universally followed by some.

One question in terms of rates & the like ... how do you equate poker coaching with a 'regular job', if at all?

My 'regular job' is teaching in high school (doing casual at the moment, but have been full-time in the past also) & I have also done some chess coaching in the past, but the idea of charging someone $200+/hour seems totally foreign to me.
As a casual (substitute) teacher, you're looking at around $30-40/hour & coaching chess in schools (obviously something that is not possible with poker) could get you around $50-80/hour, although you were mostly limited to hours outside classroom time (lunch, after school, etc), so there was a limited amount of time you could work (and the payment effectively covered travel time, costs, etc).
I suppose one of the obvious differences is that you can actually make money playing poker, and can make something of a career out of it (to varying degrees), whereas with something like chess, you can only make a living from it by doing coaching, writing books, etc, unless you are in the top 20 or so in the world (and can them make money from prizes, appearance fees, etc).

Thoughts ...

If you want to get into coaching, I would start coaching some people for free (or really cheap) and give you feedback about how you did, then if you're confident you can help people, have the students you coached recommend you to others or blog about it or post on forums etc

I'm avaiable to be coached

Great video guys! A lot of what you say seems obvious, but apparently its not necessarily something that is universally followed by some.

One question in terms of rates & the like ... how do you equate poker coaching with a 'regular job', if at all?

My 'regular job' is teaching in high school (doing casual at the moment, but have been full-time in the past also) & I have also done some chess coaching in the past, but the idea of charging someone $200+/hour seems totally foreign to me.
As a casual (substitute) teacher, you're looking at around $30-40/hour & coaching chess in schools (obviously something that is not possible with poker) could get you around $50-80/hour, although you were mostly limited to hours outside classroom time (lunch, after school, etc), so there was a limited amount of time you could work (and the payment effectively covered travel time, costs, etc).
I suppose one of the obvious differences is that you can actually make money playing poker, and can make something of a career out of it (to varying degrees), whereas with something like chess, you can only make a living from it by doing coaching, writing books, etc, unless you are in the top 20 or so in the world (and can them make money from prizes, appearance fees, etc).

Thoughts ...

200+ hourly rates are similar to what some doctors and lawyers are making. However, when it comes to deciding what to charge it's very difficult to relate it to any 'regular job.' I think the main reason for that is exactly as you pointed out. The potential return on investment is so so high for poker coaching and unlike almost anything.

Throw one more in for LOST being the best show ever.




Great vid.

Great video guys. I think someone that doesn't play much can be a good coach as long as they can teach their student what to consider and how to formulate their game plans in each situation. I'm a firm believer that the coach should be teaching the student how to figure out what to do instead of what to do in specific spots, once you get past the fundamentals. Knowing how the average regs play for example on pokerstars will have significant affect on the latter only.

On coaching price, it's a supply and demand equation. You can't put a "worthy" on anything in a free market. People pay thousands for 1 comic books because they think it's worth it. If enough people think 200+/hr is worth it then that's how much your poker coaching is worth.

Great video guys. I think someone that doesn't play much can be a good coach as long as they can teach their student what to consider and how to formulate their game plans in each situation. I'm a firm believer that the coach should be teaching the student how to figure out what to do instead of what to do in specific spots, once you get past the fundamentals. Knowing how the average regs play for example on pokerstars will have significant affect on the latter only.

Like we said in the video, it's certainly possible for some people to be good coaches without a majority of their poker time being their own play and the reasons relate mostly to your points. However, the more recent playing experience the coach has, the more they will be able formulate more accurate ranges and frequencies for their students.

When you say a coach should be "teaching a student how to figure out what to do instead of what to do in specific spots," it makes me think that the actual range analysis factor of your coaching philosophy may be a bit different than ours. In general, I feel it's important to do both at the same time and for most coaches who don't play much, this can be very difficult.

On coaching price, it's a supply and demand equation. You can't put a "worthy" on anything in a free market. People pay thousands for 1 comic books because they think it's worth it. If enough people think 200+/hr is worth it then that's how much your poker coaching is worth.

It's this + a coach deciding how much they want to coach. I could cut my rate by 50% and prob make more money coaching than I do now,

Hello,
Good video. I need an expert opinion. I've taken my first set of lessons over the past 6 weeks and I really learned a lot from my coach. But, the after lesson communication hasn't been the greatest. Although he stressed how available he was to review HH and SNG and that communication after our lessons finished was definitely part of the package, it typically took 3+ days to get an email response. While I wasn't expecting instant response times, within a couple of days would have been easier to apply to the question(s) at hand.
You mentioned in the video that some of your students that you're least happy with tend to be the ones that are looking for more confirmation of their own ideas and that if the student was doing more talking than the coach, he probably wasn't a good student. With these being my first set of real lessons I had a ton of questions that I wanted to get a professional opinion on (habits, theories, what-if scenarios). Some pertaining to the lesson at hand and others on broader topics in the poker landscape.
I definitely don't want to be a bad student or "that guy", so is there a balance between asking too many questions of your coach? I mean, I don't think I was trying to prove the way I had been playing, but moreso, wanted some clarity about the way I played so I wouldn't continue making the same mistakes I'd been making.
It's been a week and a half since our last lesson and I haven't got the video of our last session yet. I've sent him 3 emails and don't want to seem like a stalker. I'm not sure if he's not responsive due to me being a bad student or maybe I just misinterpreted our agreement.
Any constuctive advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.