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- If you already eat dairy don't cut it out, but if you don't eat dairy don't start now.

Can someone pls elaborate on this, I have eatn dairy all my life and started the whole 30 3 days ago ,totally giving up all dairy/grain/sugar/ intake.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-intolerance/

i like the Primal Blueprint protocol. the Whole9 recommendation seems pretty baseless.

taking it out then re-introducing it seems better. there are subtle things one can notice like allergies are worse the morning after drinking some milk, things we may have dismissed as "normal" before.

since going paleo, all my allergies went away. and i was that guy who goes through a box of tissues everyday and double dose on Claritin during this time of the year. it's a freaking miracle.

Found this list over on bodybuilding.com and thought it was pretty interesting.

Another good success story from friday:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/i-decided-to-do-something-about-it/#more-20856

awsome to see a primal blueprint thread on here.
Ive been eating paleo for a couple of months now and I feel better than before, more energy and concentration and I dont get that bloated feeling.
I actually think this has had a positive impact on my poker game too

if people are confused by all this I reccomend reading the paleo solution by rob wolf. Thats what I used to get started

this works. Ive put some pics on my blog before and after http://www.deucescracked.com/blogs/acombfosho

acombfosho, good stuff! any change in exercise levels? how's your energy?

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new linky link time!
here's a very friendly and concise beginner's guide to Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) eating written by a Swedish doctor. it's almost identical to paleo diet, proper. you guys could send this to friends/family interested in low carb but who don't want to read a whole book or anything obnoxious.

there's a Ketogenic group on Reddit now. hell hath no fury like geeks realizing they've been duped by authority figures.

some good discussions:
http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/ghu3o/worst_part_of_keto/
http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/fs93m/im_sick_of_heavyhanded_sadomoralism_in_weight/
http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/gme3s/my_family_thinks_keto_is_slowly_killing_me_and/
http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/g40gj/428lbs_and_im_in_ketosis_fuck_yeah/

Is the goal of the PB to enter ketosis?

Is the goal of the PB to enter ketosis?

i think it depends on your own personal goals.

from the PB site:

0-50 grams per day: Ketosis and I.F. (Intermittent Fasting) zone. Excellent catalyst for rapid fat loss through I.F. Not recommended for prolonged periods (except in medically supervised programs for obese or Type 2 diabetics) due to unnecessary deprivation of plant foods.
50-100 grams per day: Sweet Spot for Weight Loss. Steadily drop excess body fat by minimizing insulin production. Enables 1-2 pounds per week of fat loss with satisfying, minimally restrictive meals.
100-150 grams per day: Primal Maintenance zone. Once you’ve arrived at your goal or ideal body composition, you can maintain it quite easily here while enjoying abundant vegetables, fruits and other Primal foods.
(http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/)

on another page, Mark writes:

"Ketosis was crucial to our evolution. Given the relatively minor role of carbohydrate-rich foods (even the consumption of many tubers is thought to have come later with the advent of cooking practices), our bodies were fairly frequently operating in the arena of ketosis. Add to this the fasts and famines of primal living, and it’s clear that ketones served as an essential energy source."
(http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-ketosis/)

Also, Dr. Eades of "Protein Power" fame explains it thus:

"If you read any medical school biochemistry textbook, you’ll find a section devoted to what happens metabolically during starvation. If you read these sections with a knowing eye, you’ll realize that everything discussed as happening during starvation happens during carbohydrate restriction as well. There have been a few papers published recently showing the same thing: the metabolism of carb restriction = the metabolism of starvation. I would maintain, however, based on my study of the Paleolithic diet, that starvation and carb restriction are simply the polar ends of a continuum, and that carb restriction was the norm for most of our existence as upright walking beings on this planet, making the metabolism of what biochemistry textbook authors call starvation the ‘normal’ metabolism."
(http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/)

this works. Ive put some pics on my blog before and after http://www.deucescracked.com/blogs/acombfosho

Acombfosho,
I have been thinking about the results you have gotten from this diet. It is impressive.
I have some questions:

How long have you been on this diet (for the results in the photos)?

How strict are you on this diet (100% or 80/20)?

How much exercise have you been doing?
............ Increased in conjunction with the diet?

I hope these questions are not redundant for the thread. A lot about this diet has gone right over my head (and I do not have the book).

Thanks, and Congrats on the results. Those are the kind of results that are normally in commercials (before and after).

A lot about this diet has gone right over my head (and I do not have the book).

Everything in the book is here, you don't even need to buy it:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com//welcome-to-marks-daily-apple/

Daily updates too with research papers, new findings, recipes, exercises, success stories, etc...

(All free)

on another page, Mark writes:

"Ketosis was crucial to our evolution. Given the relatively minor role of carbohydrate-rich foods (even the consumption of many tubers is thought to have come later with the advent of cooking practices), our bodies were fairly frequently operating in the arena of ketosis. Add to this the fasts and famines of primal living, and it’s clear that ketones served as an essential energy source."
(http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-ketosis/)

I have to say, this is not a very good argument. Paleo man also had hair on his ass, which was essential to keeping it warm. Doesn't mean we should start rubbing Rogaine back there.

"If you read any medical school biochemistry textbook, you’ll find a section devoted to what happens metabolically during starvation. If you read these sections with a knowing eye, you’ll realize that everything discussed as happening during starvation happens during carbohydrate restriction as well. There have been a few papers published recently showing the same thing: the metabolism of carb restriction = the metabolism of starvation. I would maintain, however, based on my study of the Paleolithic diet, that starvation and carb restriction are simply the polar ends of a continuum, and that carb restriction was the norm for most of our existence as upright walking beings on this planet, making the metabolism of what biochemistry textbook authors call starvation the ‘normal’ metabolism."
(http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/)

This is a little more interesting. He's suggesting that today, starvation is defined as lack of carbohydrates, and by saying carb restriction and starvation are in fact polar opposites that eating carbohydrates is somewhere between starvation and normal metabolism. At least as near as I can decipher the last sentence. I agree that starvation should not be defined as lacking carbs, but the last sentence doesn't make a lot of sense. If the current description of what happens metabolically during starvation is not correct, then what does happen during properly defined starvation?

It seems like much of the justification for the paleo diet is mankind having gotten it right way back in prehistory. While this may be true, human beings were a lot dumber and shorter lived back then. And it's difficult to say that diet played absolutely no part in either the brain development/chemistry or in the life span. Is there any proof that paleo man was living the optimal way, so that we should return to his habits?


Not that I'm saying the paleo diet is bad, for the most part I eat a somewhat similar diet just because of my likes and dislikes.

If the current description of what happens metabolically during starvation is not correct, then what does happen during properly defined starvation?.

Anorexia I assume is the result, you would have to look into the difference between not eating enough calories and ketosis, since they are not the same thing.

Eating primal/paleo you are getting the bulk of your calories from protein and fat. I don't know what the conventional wisdom carb/protein/fat ratio is but say it is 50% of your calories come from carbs, 25% from protein, and 25% fat.

Primal/paleo would be something like 10% carbs, 40% protein, 50% fat... Keep in mind I am just making these numbers up as an example... I have no idea what any optimal ratios are for any type of diet that is paleo or conventional or otherwise...

Maybe Rob or Nowhereman can come in here and give better examples/numbers.

According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA, 45% - 65% of calories should come from carbohydrate.

10% - 35% of calories should come from protein.

20% - 35% of calories should come from fat.

Here is an article on the different ratios in the primal blueprint:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/