Wow I should watch this right now after the marathon sesh I just put in.
This week Tommy and Wayne cover the incredibly important topic of Quitting -- when to quit, how to make quitting easier, and the importance of practicing quitting.
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Wow I should watch this right now after the marathon sesh I just put in.
This is a nice topic. I've recently increased the length of my online sessions and have noticed my win-rate plummeting. Subtle tilts related to missing actions, getting tired, and making bad decisions seem to want to creep into my game the longer I play. I definitely need to work on taking breaks and quitting to properly calibrate my game.
I've just watched this before the marathon session that I'm about to play. I'm not sure how much of a marathon it would be. I believe breaks aren't allowed in a marathon.
This serie is great, I'll buy your book for sure.
Just grinded a long session to get break even. I was down so much, it's insane
Still I believe this is one of the most important vids from Tommy till now. Quiting is crucial.
Funny how noone whines when Tommy swears in vids. ![]()
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On-line you always have your bankroll available but I also believe its bad to constantly check your bankroll during a session
How to aply a stoploss method?
On-line you always have your bankroll available but I also believe its bad to constantly check your bankroll during a session
How to aply a stoploss method?
I haven't fooled around with this script but it looks like it could be relevant: http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/StopLoss
Hey Tommy, I haven't watched this yet but I was wondering. Is it possible to be quitting too much?
I was more or less out of poker for six weeks or so for real life reasons that sucked and I'm finding it difficult to work my way back in.
The other day I had a session where I lost two 90+% equity pots on the river and didn't get too bothered but quit later when I did something stupid.
Then Saturday I was playing along and having a pretty mediocre to crappy session as nothing was going my way but I thought I was still playing well. My non showdown winnings was positive but I couldn't win a showdown for the life of me.
Then I get KK, raise, blah blah, flop comes J high, He checks, I bet, he calls. Turn is garbage. He checks, I bet, he minraises. I said to mysel "A check minraise on the turn is like ALWAYS the nuts." So I raised him and got to see his lovely set of jacks. I quit immediately.
So I'm pretty sure I'm making good quitting decisions but are there times when you should force things through to get things back on track just to make sure you stay in the habit of playing poker and not picking lint out of your belly button or playing euchre or something.
Not that there's anything wrong with playing euchre.
I think not quitting when our game is slipping is a huge leak but there is also the mirror twin:
Getting a feeling of being content if you get off to a good start and stop playing because you like to end up a winner for the day. Sort of like a stop-win. This prevents us from putting in enough hands and if coupled with grinding to get even when down creates a situation where we are minimizing our A-game time.
"Putting in enough hands" is something that is important for professionals, not for me as an amateur
I think not quitting when our game is slipping is a huge leak but there is also the mirror twin:
Getting a feeling of being content if you get off to a good start and stop playing because you like to end up a winner for the day. Sort of like a stop-win. This prevents us from putting in enough hands and if coupled with grinding to get even when down creates a situation where we are minimizing our A-game time.
I totally agree with this. I think the key point in the video is to have the ability to quit and to even practice quitting because you don't know you have the ability unless you've done it. You obviously wouldn't normally want to quit when you're in a juicy game, winning, or at your best, but to know you have the ability to quit and can apply it in the right circumstances is valuable and something that will give us an edge.
"Putting in enough hands" is something that is important for professionals, not for me as an amateur
Putting in enough hands is never an issue.
Putting in enough well played hands and as a few poor played hands as possible, is however, quite important.
Awesome videos. I am really getting into Buddhism now. I wondered what are your thoughts on listening to music while playing online? Is it OK or too big of a distraction.
A MAJOR issue for me and some playes I know, is quitting when up to end on a high note. And I don't mean after a long solid session. I mean when the fish are high variance and you don't want to lose what you've won when your AK held up vs his JTs for a 200BB pot.
I have a hard time beating the fish and maximizing A-game time because I quit too early. I hope Tommy address this directly.
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