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Poker Video: Misc/Other by Tommy Angelo (Micro/Small Stakes)

Looking at the graph, it seems like the 'eventually' has no c-game, while you say everybody has a C-game

So is the 'eventually' graph when you die?

Yup! That's one of the two things I had in mind when I decided to end the graph with a "flat line." The other is that it's possible to flat-line without dying. That has been called things like nirvana and satori. It means being in a state of non-resistance to everything. In that space, there is no C game, or A game or B game. There just is.

Tommy

As I said, this is in no way a negative thing, and probably actually helps the learning process.

Agreed on both points. In this series, repetition (I prefer that word over "redundancy") isn't merely a part of the teaching method, it's also one of the lessons! (As you'll soon find out, repeatedly, in episode 3. :-) )

Tommy

Yup! That's one of the two things I had in mind when I decided to end the graph with a "flat line." The other is that it's possible to flat-line without dying. That has been called things like nirvana and satori. It means being in a state of non-resistance to everything. In that space, there is no C game, or A game or B game. There just is.

Tommy

So it's possible that you will end up having "your game", instead of "a, b or c game"?

Or do you mean that there is no A, B or C game because without an A-game there also isn't a B or C game, which makes it all connected to eachother and without A, C couldn't excist?

Do or do not... There is no try

You attach to the value that your mind assigns to it, in the same way you attach to a car or a lover. And since everything deteriorates and/or ends, attachment always causes suffering.

Tommy

Everything you said before made me happy, this made me sad.
Isnt that the mindset of really lonly, and sad people. Possibly living
in a small house out in the mittle of no where, whitout family?

Being emotionally attached to your cards, what does this exactly mean?

Ever seen somebody who couldn't throw away AK after the flop? Many times players, esp tight players, feel they waited so long to get a good hand they can't throw it away, even if they are sure they are behind.

Ego has a lot to do with stuff, more than we want to believe.

Wayne

Everything you said before made me happy, this made me sad.
Isnt that the mindset of really lonly, and sad people. Possibly living
in a small house out in the mittle of no where, whitout family?

A big fallacy is detachment leads to emptiness. It is not, but a appreciation of fullness, which can only come with cessation of suffering. A true love is one without complication.

Tommy is no ascetic, but one of the best hedonists I know.

Wayne

So it's possible that you will end up having "your game", instead of "a, b or c game"?

I think of it like pi.

ME:

You attach to the value that your mind assigns to it, in the same way you attach to a car or a lover. And since everything deteriorates and/or ends, attachment always causes suffering.

YOU:

Everything you said before made me happy, this made me sad.
Isnt that the mindset of really lonly, and sad people. Possibly living
in a small house out in the mittle of no where, whitout family?

Couple things...

Gratefulness in the moment means being content with your new car during the moments you are with it, without worrying about it getting scratched or old in the future, because right now, it's not scratched, and if you come outside tomorrow to find that someone did a hit-and-run on your parked car and crushed the bumper, then you would be exactly as content with your reality at that moment as you were yesterday. Non-attachment doesn't mean non-enjoyment. It means non-discontentment.

It's possible to live alone in a small house in the middle of nowhere with no family and be blissfully happy. If someone who lives alone in a small house in the middle of nowhere with no family is unhappy, it's not because of their circumstances, it's because of their attachment to mental formations in their mind as to how things "used to be" or how things "should be." If their body and mind were to actually live in the reality that actually is, they would not be unhappy.

Tommy

Gratefulness in the moment means being content with your new car during the moments you are with it, without worrying about it getting scratched or old in the future, because right now, it's not scratched, and if you come outside tomorrow to find that someone did a hit-and-run on your parked car and crushed the bumper, then you would be exactly as content with your reality at that moment as you were yesterday. Non-attachment doesn't mean non-enjoyment. It means non-discontentment.

It's possible to live alone in a small house in the middle of nowhere with no family and be blissfully happy. If someone who lives alone in a small house in the middle of nowhere with no family is unhappy, it's not because of their circumstances, it's because of their attachment to mental formations in their mind as to how things "used to be" or how things "should be." If their body and mind were to actually live in the reality that actually is, they would not be unhappy.

Tommy

Nice

Guys -- just FWIW, but MP3s of this have been added to the download menu.

Rob

Guys -- just FWIW, but MP3s of this have been added to the download menu.

Rob

Great!

Gratefulness in the moment means being content with your new car during the moments you are with it, without worrying about it getting scratched or old in the future, because right now, it's not scratched, and if you come outside tomorrow to find that someone did a hit-and-run on your parked car and crushed the bumper, then you would be exactly as content with your reality at that moment as you were yesterday. Non-attachment doesn't mean non-enjoyment. It means non-discontentment.

This is something that I have been thinking about a lot and the above paragraph makes total sense in the context of a possession.

Translating that into poker and the quest for tiltlessness, how does our enjoyment of when it's going well relate to our possible tilt when it's not?

To use a typical example in NL, we have QQ in a blind battle against an aggressive player and ship over his 4-bet (assume we are totally confident and correct in analysis that all is +EV with the play).

Possibility 1:
Opponent shows JJ, river is a J. I'm totally fine with the fact that I need to disregard the river and concentrate my efforts on taking note of any information that the opponent has given me in this hand then prepare for the next.
Possibility 2:
Opponent shows AA, river is a Q. I think I'm not alone when I say this makes me happy, maybe even elated. I may even feel a little more alert and positive, my confidence is up and I am a step closer to "A Game".

My question is this:
Does our level of emotion in "Possibility 2" have an effect on our ability to control our emotion in "Possibility 1"?

I'm confused because (for me anyway) the positive emotion in "Possibility 2" can have a positive effect on mindset. However in this context wouldn't it be easier to aim for an unemotional reaction to both situations rather than try to filter good and bad emotion?
I should add that while I am aware of how I should react in "Possibility 1" I'm still very much in the learning process.

Another great episode , nice work guys
Im confused about the goals and target discussion , you say goals are set up which result in sucess or failure , but should we not set up goals to help give us a direction , to have an idea where we want to go and then use targets as a means of what we need to do to get there.
As a small stakes player would you say its bad to make a goal which says for example, by the end of the year i hope to be playing and beating X limit. Then realise what must be done in order to acheive this goal and set up your targets.
Do you not think goals help you have motivation ? If i was to set up a goal which was to play 30k hands of poker next month do you not think id more likely play the 30k or close to it rather than if i had set up no goal and just played as much or as little as i felt like ?

Guys -- just FWIW, but MP3s of this have been added to the download menu.

Rob

That's great, but why are the files double the size of the MP4?