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The Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightenment: Episode Two

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The Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightenment: Episode Two by Tommy Angelo

Today we take the second step on the path to poker enlightenment, right thinking. Tommy and Wayne discuss topics like position, anticipation, door a and door b, reciprocality, rake, rules, and lopping off the C game.

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Join Tommy Angelo (author of Elements of Poker) and Wayne Lively as they embark on the Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightenment. This remarkable series is an excellent companion to Tommy's book and has been lovingly crafted over the past year. Featuring brand new musical composition from Tommy, this series is designed with the iPod in mind and transcends standard video poker training. Watch. Listen. Breathe. Win.

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  • Game: other
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 47 minutes long
  • Posted almost 4 years ago

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groove

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Excellent again.

I really need some of Tommy's piano playing to listen to whilst playing. Very soothing and slightly uplifting.

Posted almost 4 years ago

Tommy Angelo

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This is not necessarily true. There's also relative position, e.g. you're in the big blind and the button raises, the small blind calls and you call. Since often the small blind and you check to the raiser you have the privilige of seeing what the small blind does after a continuation bet. In this case it could definitely be argued that being in the big blind can be better than being on the button.

Compare it to the cutoff raising, you calling on the button and the small blind calling, he now checks near 100% of the time and the raiser places a cbet, now you have no idea what the small blind is up to.

Although in most cases I agree that being last to act is a big advantage, just wanted to point out that this statement is not set in stone (like most things in poker).



You make a strong case in support of the possibility that being last to act on the flop is not always better than being not last to act.

(I'm trying to work in as many negatives as I can. How'm I doing?)

When we look at a whole hand, that is, the flop, turn, and river, I do not think a reasonable case can be made to support a claim that last to act on all three streets is not always best.

Tommy

Posted almost 4 years ago

Wayne Lively

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Soepgroente

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When we look at a whole hand, that is, the flop, turn, and river, I do not think a reasonable case can be made to support a claim that last to act on all three streets is not always best.

Tommy


Hmm, I see your point and although I agree for 95%, what I'm saying is not that unlikely/far fetched Wink. I wasn't trying to critisize but rather add some information.

Have you ever played limit 2-7 triple draw? In this case it's a very reasonable situation that comes up rather frequently that the person in position gets squeezed in between players. Say the cutoff raises, you call on the button and the small blind reraises and the cutoff caps. You complete the cap and the small blind draws 2, cutoff 1 and you draw 1.

Now a check from the small blind and a bet from the cutoff will happen 100% of the time between regular players, so suddenly you're first to act with no way of closing the action and if you call this bet you might very well get checkraised and get trapped for multiple bets since the action re-opens every time!

Anyway, we in holland have a saying which translates to "It's the exception that confirms the rule". So yes, in general, getting position is my mission (how about that catchphrase Wink)

Thanks for the video. I was on the right path already but this series is definitely helping me. I played many hours on my B or C game yesterday (because of running bad) and today I feel like I've played my A game with a hint of my B game, despite not running too incredibly well.

EDIT- when I say 'I played bad because I was running bad' I mean 'I played bad because I didn't deal with bad luck well.' But I'm sure you understood that Poke Tongue

Posted almost 4 years ago

Wayne Lively

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EDIT- when I say 'I played bad because I was running bad' I mean 'I played bad because I didn't deal with bad luck well.' But I'm sure you understood that Poke Tongue



Oh, he does.

Grin

Posted almost 4 years ago

nair

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Tommy Angelo

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getting position is my mission (how about that catchphrase Wink)



I like it!

I wasn't trying to critisize but rather add some information.



Understood.

Have you ever played limit 2-7 triple draw?



No. But I have played many hours of various forms of double-draw and triple-draw, high only, low only, and hi-lo. So I'm familiar with the place you are taking me.

In this case it's a very reasonable situation that comes up rather frequently that the person in position gets squeezed in between players. Say the cutoff raises, you call on the button and the small blind reraises and the cutoff caps. You complete the cap and the small blind draws 2, cutoff 1 and you draw 1.

Now a check from the small blind and a bet from the cutoff will happen 100% of the time between regular players, so suddenly you're first to act with no way of closing the action and if you call this bet you might very well get checkraised and get trapped for multiple bets since the action re-opens every time!



So what's the problem? I get to see how many they draw! Twice! And if I make a big hand, I rate to make more being last than I would as first. I just can't imagine that my EV on the hand would be improved by trading places with either one of them.

Thanks for the video.



You're very welcome. It has been, truly, my pleasure.

Tommy

Posted almost 4 years ago

nakke

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That's interesting. After you listen to something forty-seven times it feels repetitive, but I never got the feeling from one to the other we were repeating. We spent time in E1 listing the things we are going to talk about, and of course there is a lot of overlap between these topics.

Hope it doesn't diminish the value.

Now when I think about all my good stuff which added nothing but filler that got cut out really puts me on tilt.

We appreciate all comments, in case we ever lose our minds and do this again.

Wayne


It might just be that you've talked about what you're going to talk about a few times, and then when you actually talk about it in detail we remember that it's already been mentioned and associate to the thoughts we had when you just mentioned the topic. Especially if it's something that's relatively simple to grasp (but hard to always remember/do correctly). As I said, this is in no way a negative thing, and probably actually helps the learning process.

To add to ThatDeviant's comment, I can't begin to express how important it is to the whole DC EXPERIENCEâ„¢ to have the video producers be so actively involved in the comment threads.

Posted almost 4 years ago

SnappieVouz

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Being emotionally attached to your cards, what does this exactly mean?

I think it means that you are connected to the cards you are getting like you own them,
but how does it really work?
How can someone ever get emotional attatched to a piece of paper with an A on it?

Posted almost 4 years ago

SnappieVouz

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Looking at the graph, it seems like the 'eventually' has no c-game, while you say everybody has a C-game

So is the 'eventually' graph when you die?

Posted almost 4 years ago

volition

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Ncoa

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Really great! The way you guys has constucted this is very professional...I mean...I would probably watch this even if I had never played poker Poke Tongue...much of what you say here can be used in real life aswell. I definetly find the buddhism perspective very interesting...and entertaining!

Just awesome!!!

Posted almost 4 years ago

lammy

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Really great! The way you guys has constucted this is very professional...I mean...I would probably watch this even if I had never played poker Poke Tongue...much of what you say here can be used in real life aswell. I definetly find the buddhism perspective very interesting...and entertaining!

Just awesome!!!


+1

Posted almost 4 years ago

nakke

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Being emotionally attached to your cards, what does this exactly mean?

I think it means that you are connected to the cards you are getting like you own them,
but how does it really work?
How can someone ever get emotional attatched to a piece of paper with an A on it?


Pretty sure it means like you flopped a boat with T7 once and won your biggest pot ever, or won a tournament with it, or whatever like that, and after that you always want to play it since it has a "special value" for you.

Posted almost 4 years ago

Tommy Angelo

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Being emotionally attached to your cards, what does this exactly mean?

I think it means that you are connected to the cards you are getting like you own them,
but how does it really work?
How can someone ever get emotional attatched to a piece of paper with an A on it?



You attach to the value that your mind assigns to it, in the same way you attach to a car or a lover. And since everything deteriorates and/or ends, attachment always causes suffering.

Tommy

Posted almost 4 years ago




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