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caperbii

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It is very tough for winning players to grind out bankrolls at the micros using proper management (30-50 buy-ins per level). We all look for a quick route (which of course isn't really possible beyond buying a bankroll) but here is a suggestion for at least trying to build a bankroll from near scratch.

New BankRoll Guidelines for Building Up From Micros (2-50nl):

1.Start with $10(2nl) or $20(4nl) (lets assume $20 for now)
2.4-table 4nl until you have 5 buy ins for 10nl
3.4-table 10nl until you have 5 buy ins until 20nl
4. " 20nl " 5 " of 50nl - then 50nl to $500
4.Move down to lower level if you go down to 5 buy ins at that level
5.Do this until you can get to $500 to play 20/25nl
6.Rinse and Repeat

If you use this proposed style, it will allow you to gain a $500 bankroll by winning exactly 25BIs rather than the 100+BIs needed using proper roll management. Also at the $250 mark you will have 20.5 relative buyins (moving down at 5 of lower level) Due to the small initial investment, it ain't no thang to lose your 10 or 20 dollars. The risk/reward is low/high.

Note: I am in no way discouraging strong bankroll management as it is the best way to a) learn to beat the levels you are at b) defend against tilt c) allow you to always stay in the game assuming you don't lose this 3+ standard deviations (99% confidence int) at your BB/100 rate (if calculated properly).

comments?

Posted about 3 years ago

Swi1ch

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I'm considering trying this. I recently moved down from 10NL to 2NL after taking a few bad beats that I realised would bust me if I took a few more (Deposited $100, ran it to about $140, lost $50 with about $30 of that being 'bad variance'). I'd like to get back to 10NL asap seeing as 2NL is so crazy that I don't feel like i'm learning anything down here.

Posted about 3 years ago

caperbii

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I should add this required one key point:
Not running bad lol - You can do this running at EV but not below

Posted about 3 years ago

Swi1ch

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I should add this required one key point:
Not running bad lol - You can do this running at EV but not below



I'm at about $70 atm, I can try this with $10 from that and still leave myself 30bis for 2NL.

Posted about 3 years ago

Acombfosho

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I think it makes alot of sense to move up v aggressively until around 50NL

have 10BI for a level ? take a shot at the next level. You can also run good too..

Posted about 3 years ago

CF23

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just try not to waste your time too long at 2nl, 5nl and 10nl, that's what i would say.

Posted about 3 years ago

FutureImperfect

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I should add this required one key point:
Not running bad lol - You can do this running at EV but not below



HHHNNNN I myself like building up from 20 to 25 bis, since you ARE presuming the running good thing (and it doesn't always start that way, I lost $3 practicing this on FTP). 20 bis to start FR, build up to 4 tables (then you won't go bust if that run good thing isn't happening). You can play with 6 max at 25 bis.

Rinse and repeat to next level. When start new level, have over 20 bis. Put in about 20k hands. Can mess around with 6 max again with 25 bis (or rush). As you move up, of course your strategy will change up.

But I've seen folks stress when they have their entire bankroll sitting out on a multi-table adventure. JMHO.

Posted about 3 years ago

tubasteve

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doesn't really make sense for a losing player to start with a 5 buyin roll...

Posted about 3 years ago

mikefut

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I'm not really sure what you mean by "buying" a bankroll, but this strategy looks like it has a very high risk of ruin, and even if you manage to pull it off, you'll still be under-rolled for 25NL.

But it might be fun, who knows. I see guys who deposit $100 nearly every day and try to see how high they can run it up heads up. Some days they bust early, other days I see them sitting with a 3k stack a few hours later. But no matter how many times you see them run it up to 3k without any BRM strategy whatsoever, when you check their PTRs they are massive lifetime losers.

Almost every full-time job is going to pay far far more per hour than you can make at 2NL. Why not just tighten the belt for a few weeks or months, and cut out some big expenses, and wait until you have a proper 30BI 10NL or 25NL roll?

Posted about 3 years ago

swampdonkey

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Yea agreed. I see where your coming from and that you want to Get out of the micros sooner. However one bad run of varience and your crippled. Just stick to a solid br management, develope your skills and you'll be thankful you did it that way.

Posted about 3 years ago

caperbii

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@ tubasteve - of course not. No amount of buy ins helps a losing player lol

@ mikefut - just using your own money to play 50nl ie $1500 deposit. This strategy is a very high risk of ruin in the sense that you will lose your $10 or $20 but if it even gets you to $500 1 of 20 times its a success right?

Posted about 3 years ago

blah234

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I think aggresive br management is ok as long as you can reload and you are confident with your skill level. But 5BI is too little

Posted about 3 years ago

Toms789

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Yeah OP is assuming you can reload and can afford to lose your initial buy in. I kind of like the idea.

Don't forget rakeback!

Posted about 3 years ago

Toms789

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This seems easy in theory. Maybe a vid series in the making?

Posted about 3 years ago

caperbii

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Yea agreed. I see where your coming from and that you want to Get out of the micros sooner. However one bad run of varience and your crippled. Just stick to a solid br management, develope your skills and you'll be thankful you did it that way.



As I said, this isn't aimed at developing players. This is for those who lost their 50nl+ bankroll for various reasons (cash outs, bad runs, tilt, you get the idea..) but have the data to proove they can beat the micros. For those new to poker or those who need to improve than proper bankroll management is essential!~

Posted about 3 years ago




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