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I think if you have a problem with this, then you should quit the game.

Your consious is telling you that it's wrong, and nobody can decide for you whats right and whats wrong.

A serial killer can be told its wrong for him to kill all those people, but aslong as he doesn't feel it himself, there is no point in telling

Most poker players don't care about their opponents, and go with the 'if i don't take it somebody else will'. Its the greedyness of the era. It's the 'i have to get whats mine NOW NOW NOW'.

I think there is nothing wrong with that either, it's just how they think about it.

I could never play Heads up and see a fish go broke while playing me at 2/4 or higher.

Some of you youngsters have no idea how much money 2k is for some people. For some people, and unfortunately most of the times gamblers are those people.., its a month worth and all they have got. they have no savings, nothing..

You getting them broke will mean a month of almost no food, or being able to live.

I knew a girl who was crying on my shoulder because her boyfriend had lost their money again and they had to live a month without money again.

While there are 20 year old rich guys from poker, the other side of the story is way less beautiful. They are 21 year old guys who fuck up the money they have because poker is a quick way to solve their money issues

"If I don't take it somebody else will", man, i find that argument gross and true at the same time. Because its not your problem, but on the other hand... the problems your opponent might have is so nasty and hard...

and then I am not even thinking about the high stakes players where it wouldnt suprise me people really gamble away their kids funds or whatever.. Saying 'this story is probably not true' is for me like not wanting to look in the mirror and see how fat you really are

Not accepting the fact that with poker, you are sometimes really reuning somebody elses life.

Like somebody said in this thread: Its my job to fuck up lifes.

Its a hard thing to say but atleast the guy has a clear view of what he is doing at times

Hey Aron,

RESPECT to you for bringing up such a personal and sensitive issue here.I found this thread because SnappieVouz brought it up again.

Like with anything in life - if you dont feel right, dont do it.Poker being an exception because you need to push yourself outside the comfort zone, but in ethical questions, saying the above is definitely true. Your conscience should be your inner compass/guardian and if it tells you to stop - do so. Whenever we push these moral issues further - you feel an inner voice / feeling in the gut saying: its not right. But the next time it will be easier - one step towards corruption of the mind. You wont realize it at first - because it is a continuum but from an outside perspecite and five years later having gone this path people will realize someone is corrupted even though that each step by it self was small.

Hope you still have the same feelings sometimes - this shows that you are a decent guy and not only a rational animal. Two years revisited - did this guy ever showed up again ?

Good one Aron.


Dominik

Oh lol, i see now that i made one hell of a bump

Sorry guys, that was me. I was reading the other thread and WOT had posted the link to this thread. Which is a bloody good and revealing thread.

Poker is ugly. Get out if you can.

Poker is ugly. Get out if you can.

This is not an issue of morality. Its an issue of humanity.
I dont believe WoT was breaking any moral or ethical rules, rather he felt empathy for someone who was clearly unable to make good decisions, and felt guilty for benefitting fromm someone's obvious addiction and lifetilt.
There have been many posts saying that as a professional one is olbigated to take of of his money or someone else will etc etc. These are moot points as there is a cost to ignoring your own humanity and treating someone in a way you wish you wouldn't be treated if you were in a similar position.
WoT will continue to make money regardless if he avoids this player and someone else benfits from his lifetilt. However, he won't incure the cost of having ignored his empathy and humanity.
At the end of the day he has to look himself in the mirror - how WoT feels about himself and his decisions is the most important factor in this issue.
I play alot of live games and I realize that most of my profit comes from degenerates who have some level of addictino. Deciding at some point to no longer take money from those who have no chance of overcoming their lifetilt is negative EV but positive karma so to speak.
The only way a wrong decision can be made here is for WoT to ignore his humaity and brush aside any concerns for a fellow human being without at least doing what he did - thinking about it and trying to determine the best path to take that isnt soley based on EV.

I agree with quitting.

Just because he played again a year later did not mean that he was not sincere. It is probably more depressing that he is continuing to play years later.

You might consider turning off chat.

If I knew he was serious about suiciding/gambling his kids money, I'd stop playing.

If I didnt know, I think I'd just ignore him and keep playing

If I knew he was serious about suiciding/gambling his kids money, I'd stop playing.

If I didnt know, I think I'd just ignore him and keep playing

The chat box his only vestige of communication, what would make you believe he was serious?

Villain is lying like 99% of the time. If you dont take his money down, someone else will do within the next 10min. I totally respect the fact that you have been affected by the chat and decided to go away. Thats your choice and being affected emotionally while playing is not good imo.

If you dont take his money down, someone else will do within the next 10min.

This argument is just a variant on the argument that 'it is okay to throw my empty can in the woods, because everybody else does it!' The question posed in this thread is not: what will other people do when I choose A over B, but: should I choose A over B? What other people do or will do is irrelevant.

In my opinion, it is a matter of responsibility. The opponent has the responsibility to manage his money in such a way that he can provide sufficient for himself and his family. As long as the opponent is capable of deciding that his (gambling) actions are still responsible, thus not threatening his responsibility towards himself and his family, it is not morally wrong to keep winning his money, I think.

But this changes when the opponent clearly has lost the ability to make this decision with a clear mind, such as when he is under the influence of drugs, alcohol, tilt, depression, or whatever, thus threatening the responisibility towards himself and his family. Than it becomes, in my opinion, the responsibility of the other human being to partly take over the responsibility of the opponent of providing for himself and his family, by not taking advantage of the situation for his own benefit.

Of course, in the environment of online poker, it is very hard to get the information you need to make this decision, but this would be my general approach.

In my opinion, it is a matter of responsibility. The opponent has the responsibility to manage his money in such a way that he can provide sufficient for himself and his family. As long as the opponent is capable of deciding that his (gambling) actions are still responsible, thus not threatening his responsibility towards himself and his family, it is not morally wrong to keep winning his money, I think.

But this changes when the opponent clearly has lost the ability to make this decision with a clear mind, such as when he is under the influence of drugs, alcohol, tilt, depression, or whatever, thus threatening the responisibility towards himself and his family. Than it becomes, in my opinion, the responsibility of the other human being to partly take over the responsibility of the opponent of providing for himself and his family, by not taking advantage of the situation for his own benefit.

Of course, in the environment of online poker, it is very hard to get the information you need to make this decision, but this would be my general approach.

We are probably not living in the same world dude. I used to live in this world where everyone is always nice toward each other but it does not often happen in this business world. Afterall poker is like a business. Trust me I am the nicest man on earth but if you start to be too nice with people regarding work and contracts, they will eat you. Op tried to remind and warn him about the issue and he keep wanted to play, fine, lets do it and take this opportunity as a chance.

We are probably not living in the same world dude. I used to live in this world where everyone is always nice toward each other but it does not often happen in this world. Trust me I am the nicest man on earth but if you start to be too nice with people, they will eat you. Poker is like business at the end.

Please, do not label me a naïve 'let's all be friends'-hippie. I am very aware of the world we live in and the people trying to eat me, yet I choose to live by certain principles, even if they might sometimes cost me.

Please, do not label me a naïve 'let's all be friends'-hippie. I am very aware of the world we live in and the people trying to eat me, yet I choose to live by certain principles, even if they might sometimes cost me.

If you knew all the social, familial or moral issues from your opponents, you wont even play online poker. Being sensible and affected by his story is normal and you have decided to leave the game. I respect your opinion but I would not.