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No, grossly misplayed. No reason to lose entire stack on the turn IMO, but believe what you will.

Betting turn for 1/3 pot to put villain all in is good, but folding is just bad.
If villain has 77-tt is a huge mistake.

EDIT: check calling isn't good, but it beats check folding.

If you check, do you think villain is shoving with 77 through TT?

Some really interesting posts regarding this hand - I guess showing the difficulty in playing JJ.

I have to take issue with the posts in relation to saying that 3 betting pre with JJ is somehow wrong.

If we are not 3 betting this hand, what is our 3 bet range for value????? QQ+, AK. is. we are virtually never 3 betting if this hand is not part of our range and against multiple players in a pot the 3 bet should be large.

From there on we have JJ against slowplayed aces - its a cooler. The way villain played the hand is going to cost him a bomb in the long run - playing AA against multiple opponets calling pre is just reall, really bad.

No matter what you do you should be struggling to find a fold, or else you are WAY too exploitable and tight. how do we play QQ and KK with the same board texture??????? Think about that. JJ is a very diffiult hand to play, and sometimes we just get coolered.

If we are not 3 betting this hand, what is our 3 bet range for value?????

This all depends on who you're 3betting. If you're playing against me, for example, 3betting JJ there is okay since I'm likely to call fairly wide or bluff (though in a squeeze spot, these won't be as wide). Against most guys (people that don't play 30/25 or 40/30 when running like god) there's nothing wrong with 3betting JJ per se, it's just that in a squeeze spot, you're hoping to get through two players and not really wanting to play it OOP, IMO. And, most importantly, against a continuation range in THAT spot (where he's getting squeezed) JJ does not fare very well. If the PFR is tight (and he'll be tighter in this particular spot), once he calls, you know you're shit screwed. If you're shit screwed against his pre-flop calling range + his flop calling range.. then you have to wonder if 3betting was even good in the first place. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with it, but if this guy was like 18/15 and a fold to 3bet of 70, then squeezing JJ is a big mistake and grossly misplayed.

The way villain played the hand is going to cost him a bomb in the long run

no it's not. He played it near perfectly actually. If I saw a guy squeeze JJ and then stack off, and especially saw his cbet size, I'm going to love playing him. He defines his range pre-flop perfectly, and spews postflop. OMG, that's like the perfect player to play against. My only peeve with villain here is that he did not shove raise the flop, and as I mentioned earlier, I'm quite confident the reason he did not was the same reason he didn't 4bet. And that reason is... he wanted the guy left to act to stay in the hand.

I'm pretty sure if this wasn't a squeeze, the "cooler" component would be much higher because villain's range would be perceived as wider. He might 4bet pre, or call and raise the flop... and on that board, he can have flush draws, etc... here the guy's range was very strong... like TT+ preflop & strong suited, but on the turn it's only stuff that beats JJ & draws (and even the draws should have shoved if not folded). Against a range of QQ+ & AK, AQ, KQ of clubs, he's not doing too well with JJ, and is close to dead on the turn.

I sure am glad I don't play 10NL. These games seem really tough.

lol - too touch for me. I'll stick to higher stakes.

So Stueys kid - you think its good play to flat with AA against multiple opponents? This is good play???

i think 3-betting JJ is standard here imo. Definately value time. Flop is ok too. We have the best hand most of the time and we want to make draws pay. turn is really bad. May call here due to pot odds. I dont think it was played that bad for 10NL. CALLING PRE HAS GOT TO BE A MISTAKE HERE SURELY.
Also i think many people are overestimating the amount of thinking people at 10NL have about thier ranges. Very few are thinking that his range of queezing is wider so his range to continue is wider etc.
Also on the flop. We are only losing to bigger overpairs which are extremely unlikely or 55, or any 6 etc. Surely its better to bet fairly large. If turn bricks then easy shove for value on the turn.

lol - too touch for me. I'll stick to higher stakes.

So Stueys kid - you think its good play to flat with AA against multiple opponents? This is good play???

No.

And flatting or not flatting cannot be decided in a vacuum. Assuming standard 10NL positional ranges, flatting AA there is not a losing play, it's just less value due to squeezes being tighter in general. But, I have seen plenty of spazz backshoves, which I imagine would start to evaporate at higher stakes, though I will admit to setting a backshove mine every now and then if I think someone in the blinds squeezes too much (but this is obviously rare, and I do not play 10NL but do currently play micros 25-50).

The player in question was trying to get more money out of the preflop caller, and he did. I still think the flop is a shove given the cbet sizing, but I can't expect that guy to have too many deep thoughts.

My original point was that his preflop call CAN mean one of two things:
*A premium
*A hand not quite good enough to 4bet, but not quite bad enough to want to fold, especially if our image isn't very tight, or we have a spewy image. (and even a hand like QQ can sometimes fall into this, AQs certainly, it just depends on how villain views poker and ranges and dynamics and all that as to what he'll stick in this category)

In either case, a continuation bet is targeting one of these two hands. The other one it's value cutting. When he calls, you either have a good draw or you're cutting. When the club spikes, you're losing, plain and simple, but you've pot committed yourself.

Occasionally you'll have someone flat TT there thinking it's in the first category. You just have to figure out how the player thinks. Poker is seldom in a vacuum.

May call here due to pot odds

pretty much it's a call. it has to be a call/shove. There's nothing else to do.

If it makes everyone feel better, just figure everyone's stacking off range is 99+ there and that JJ is perfectly fine, and MOVE ON. It's no skin off my teeth. But I happen to know that the majority of players in the micros do not stack off there very often with less than JJ... and if that's true, going for "fat value town" with JJ is nothing more than value cutting.

It's the nit war at its worst. the nit war does exist, it's just not always and certainly not if the hero has created the right dynamics.

Stuey,

I love your passion and you may well be totally right since I don't know the game conditions at these stakes. That being said, if the biggest mistake we ever make is 3 bet squeezing JJ and felting when we have an overpair then we should be okay in the grand scheme of things.