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So what are some of the very best soft EU sites for micro nl players?

ladbrokes $ tables, every night from 6pm-2am UK time you ahve an average of 4 ppl who are above 40 vpip

I wish I could play ipoker and party.

In my experience, at 100nl and above euro sites aren't much softer than US sites. I'm in the UK and play on a US site because it's softer the the euro site I was at before. If someone could point me at the 200nl 6max euro site populated with >15% fish, I'd love it.

I wish I could play ipoker and party.

why?

From what I hear ipoker is infested with shortstackers and nits.

I'd say someone needs to be playing at least mid-stakes games for this to be a relevant question.

I would agree with this.

At like 100NL or lower there are enough poor players on American sites to beat the games well if you table select well.

In my experience, at 100nl and above euro sites aren't much softer than US sites. I'm in the UK and play on a US site because it's softer the the euro site I was at before. If someone could point me at the 200nl 6max euro site populated with >15% fish, I'd love it.



why?

From what I hear ipoker is infested with shortstackers and nits.

Ya and they suck at poker, wouldn't you wanna play with people that suck? + 48% rakeback at ipoker

Ya and they suck at poker, wouldn't you wanna play with people that suck? + 48% rakeback at ipoker

It's not contributed rake, so the nits can just sit there and earn your rakeback. Great.

I dunno, I feel like the euro sites I've tried before sticking with Full Tilt has been pretty much the same but with less players.

fwiw, cake is pathetic in comparison to FT and stars

pathetic as in many more bad players?

It's funny how there is no clear consensus on whether euro sites are softer or not. I've been playing Fulltilt a lot lately and I must say that 100NL is pretty soft, in the sense that there are a lot of tables with mediocre players. I wonder if it's the same for 200NL or if other sites are fishier.

Any ideas?

pathetic as in many more bad players?

It's funny how there is no clear consensus on whether euro sites are softer or not. I've been playing Fulltilt a lot lately and I must say that 100NL is pretty soft, in the sense that there are a lot of tables with mediocre players. I wonder if it's the same for 200NL or if other sites are fishier.

Any ideas?

I think we do have think about this in terms of midstakes+. Before that point I don't think the difference in potential edge is that obvious anywhere. I have students from all over the world so I see plenty of different sites. What we should realise at midstakes+ is that, yes, it's great when a huge fish comes along but for large portions of time you may be playing against other good players that you are better than and exploiting a much smaller edge. As the stakes get higher and the regs get better player stereotypes dissipate and and exploitation of small margins becomes ever more important. There are so many good regulars at the midstakes of the US sites that fish get eaten up extremely quickly when they do appear and it can certainly seem like the Euro sites offer the key to an easier winrate, but this should not be taken up in an overzealous manner as the games probably won't be as soft as many would expect.

So, thinking again on the topic as a whole I would say if you play small/micro stakes, it doesn't matter where. If you play midstakes and you are able to play on any site then game select on every site, US and Euro.

How's this for logic: If you play small stakes at pokerstars, 4 tabling with zero game selection, you can learn to predict the way semi-decent regs will play their ranges. This way you will be much better prepared for higher stakes by sacrificing a some winrate at smaller stakes.

Anyone can make money playing solidly against recreational players. I believe the priority should be developing an edge against other regs given that higher stakes are filled with them, and they are rarely playing anywhere near perfect poker.

Thoughts on this much appreciated.

P.S I am definitely in agreement with inavacuum about game selection being relevant upon graduation from micro/small stakes, 200NL+

At .5/1 etc there might not be much of a difference

At 5/10+ ive run into largely whale donkeys and <=mediocre regs (ESP 25/50); id imagine this is the case for mid stakes also. In comparison there are a decent number of players at 5/10+ that know what theyre doing, and some very good ones at 25/50...

Ok, so lets frame this conversation.

Your a US player who is currently playing 5/10.

Lets say there was a service available to you that would allow you to play any site you wanted. Assistance with account setup, funds transfer, and a platform to play off of that would provide an international IP address.

How much $$ would it be worth to you to be able to play international sites, say on a monthly basis?

I would imagine that 1/2 bi/mo for a 5/10 player to be able to play any site would be a SNAP CALL?

I think I can see where you're going with this

The main problem I see is that you'd be essentially setting yourself up as a money launderer. Although it's probably a very grey area.

Some Eurosites have 60%+ rakebacks and that thing alone is big edge for many players versus Stars / Full Tilt / Cake.

-Millman