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Hi everyone.

I've been meaning to reevaluate the value of the aggression factor (AF) stat in ring games for some time now. As many have pointed out, a player's AF does not include his checking and folding tendencies, which is a huge leak in representing his aggression. Surely the shortcomings of this stat are documented and known by many.

That leads me to my question: is AF a dead stat in your poker analytics? Does anyone still show it on the HUD, and if so, how do you use it properly?

I am thinking about phasing in AFq (aggression frequency) to use on my HUD instead, but I have no idea how to interpret that set of stats. To anyone who uses AFq, can you explain it, or point to a place where it's well explained?

Thanks!

i never use it. basically haven't ever since HEM came out.

i never use it. basically haven't ever since HEM came out.

samesies

not totally dead. i mean if someone has a extreme AF then it is useful. in general i would say no. i mean if its super tiny V never raises so cool. if its really high then it depends on how many hands he is playing. but punch line, generally not the best stat imo.


Anyways, i love notes much more then stats. even thou im finding in MTT's when im multitabling i kinda need stats for reshove spots. that kinda spot stats are extremely useful.

If I had to choose one I'd take AFq over AF any day.

I am thinking about phasing in AFq (aggression frequency) to use on my HUD instead, but I have no idea how to interpret that set of stats. To anyone who uses AFq, can you explain it, or point to a place where it's well explained?

I too don't know how to interpret this stat can anyone elaborate. I've seen it talked about in a video but don't remember which one

i never use it. basically haven't ever since HEM came out.

This.

I only have AF in my hud, old school ftw!

I also don't know how to use those stats as well. I took AFq off my HUD just cause most players had similar aggression frequency (regs) didn't find it that useful.

Almost all people I talk to have that on their HUD so it obviously works well if you know how to interpret the numbers.

With the fish, if I see that their river aggression is 10% and of all of sudden bombs the river I might call real light since they are so polarized. If they can not have the nuts in that spot I will call otherwise I fold.

I too don't know how to interpret this stat can anyone elaborate. I've seen it talked about in a video but don't remember which one

AFq is the percentage of the time your opponent takes an aggressive action.

So someone with a 30% AFq is betting or raising 30% of the time.

AFq is the percentage of the time your opponent takes an aggressive action.

So someone with a 30% AFq is betting or raising 30% of the time.

I think we all understand this, but I still struggle with how to apply it. I've never seen its application discussed in a video. And, yes, I've read the posts on 2p2 that discuss it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/af-vs-afq-comparing-2-a-270284/ and
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11853136&an=0&page=0#Post11853136

FWIW, I have both AF and AFq in my HUD, but can't remember the last time I really used one of them in a major decision. People talk about how AFq >>>> AF all the time, yet, despite allegedly being superior, I don't think either is hugely useful. Obviously, notes and reads are 100x more valuable than either.

i never use it. basically haven't ever since HEM came out.

this for me, too.

I use the AF stat as a part of my decision making process when I am trying to come up with good counter strategies.

For example say I get to the river with a fairly strong hand I'll be more inclined to check to induce vs someone with a 70% river AFq compared with someone with a 30% AFq.

Another example, I was playing a reg HU a few days ago and they had a 70% turn AFq, so I decided to start check raising more on the turn as opposed to the flop.

Its on in my HUD. I think thats another piece of information which help us to take the right decision so why not using it.

I use the AF stat as a part of my decision making process when I am trying to come up with good counter strategies.

Sure, but these tendencies are easily observed through reads and notes. Further, the stats take a long time to converge and don't tell the whole story, where a good observation can be rock solid right away. Most fish and even a good percentage of regs in my games (up to 200NL and 10/20 LHE) tend to be pretty unbalanced in these spots, and will, for instance, fastplay draws and always slowplay made hands. I have never understood how to get that information from AF or AFq.