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$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 541944
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Hero (BB): $124.10
CO: $121.00
BTN: $77.50
SB: $261.73

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J J
2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) Q Q 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.20, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $7.80

Turn: ($30.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($30.00) Q (2 players)
SB bets $36.00, Hero raises to $109.10,

SB was a pretty aggro reg preflop, and on the more passive side postflop. Him limping makes me a little suspicious, but it looks more like a PP then a premium, cause i just know he plays those fast.

27/21 446 hands
CRF% 21% FCB 15%
35% Wtsd 50% won (<--run hot ... )

Bet OOP on the river is 100% over 2 samples.

I basicaly know i'm calling, but if you think about it there isn't anything he can have other then like 77-TT or he could level himself into calling for a split. He could have a Q ofcourse, but he might just bet that on the turn so sure he could still have a Q but really there is trip Q on the board, how much can i even care about the possiblity of a Qx in his hand?

so i decided to shove it in.

Was wondering what you guys think.

I don't think a lot of players will c/r 77-TT on this flop and you say this villain is on the passive side post flop which makes it even more unlikely that he's check/raising those hands. I give him a range of Qx, 66, flushdraws and maybe some random bluffs if he's aggro. If this range is correct there's nothing you can get value from by raising on the river.

His limp is throwing me way off as to what range to put him on. I discounted KK+ since I think he 3bets like always. I'm not sure what random stuff to add the times he gets bored, but if you feel his range is weighted towards pps maybe he's weird and vbettting 77-TT here? Either way I'd feel a lot better about shoving JJ on the river if he raise Q9+ bvb but I had the feeling he limps pps since he probably doesn't want to play in a 3b pot with them. If he has 66 it's a cooler.

Board: Qc Qd 6d 6h Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.818% 56.82% 00.00% 25 0.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 43.182% 43.18% 00.00% 19 0.00 { TT-66, AQs, Ad2d, KQs, Q9s+, JdTd, AQo, KQo, Q9o+ }

I don't think a lot of players will c/r 77-TT on this flop and you say this villain is on the passive side post flop which makes it even more unlikely that he's check/raising those hands. I give him a range of Qx, 66, flushdraws and maybe some random bluffs if he's aggro. If this range is correct there's nothing you can get value from by raising on the river.

+1, was going to voice almost exactly this

His river sizing alone makes me want to just call and I'm actually not thrilled. I am definitely not raising here.

ok then, so probably just call if he bets out.

Would you bet if checked to?
And do you think that you are levelling yourself if you are calling a C/R by villain on this river because he can try and put you off a split?

There are the special kind of villains that raise 77+ on the flop just so the hand ends on the flop.

I guess it all comes down to what his preflop range is for limp calling bvb. I guess since we can't figure it out and he overbet pot which looks strong, we have to just call river for lack of better information. I really hate it though and I'd timebank and try to find a way to justify a shove.

I´d think about raising as well, but probably call at the end of the day. If Villain checked I´d definitely bet for value. It´d be an interesting situation if he check-raised the river, though ...

Def priced in if he check raises river imo, but I'm sure Tubasteve would cringe if he saw some of the river bet calls I made.

Def priced in if he check raises river imo. Tubasteve would have nightmares if he saw some of the river bet calls I made. =D

if he check raises the river your hand is good about 0.5% of the time

Thing is when I bet the river I'm overbetting pot so I'm already priced in when he jams and actually looking back on this hand I think I just jam river if he checks to me.

Thing is when I bet the river I'm overbetting pot so I'm already priced in when he jams and actually looking back on this hand I think I just jam river if he checks to me.

what do you mean "priced in"? unless you're getting like 10-1 on the river i seriously doubt your hand is good if he check/shoves, ESPECIALLY if you overbet.

i mean how much are we talking? if you bet $60 then you still have about 50 behind, if he shoves, youre getting 30+60+110/50 = 4-1, meaning you need to win 20% of the time. as i mentioned i don't even think you're good if you make a normal bet and get c/r like EVER, so i think calling once he shoves would be really really awful.

btw if you actually are good sometimes in spots like that i'd love to see the HHs

You can make the argument that is range is really weighted towards Qx but then I think people are more likely to check shove the river with air just hoping to fold hero off a chop which more than makes up for the times that he has Qx,66.

Board: Qc Qd 6d 6h Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.545% 43.64% 00.91% 24 0.50 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 55.455% 54.55% 00.91% 30 0.50 { 77+, AQs, KQs, Q9s+, AQo, KQo, Q9o+ }

You can make the argument that is range is really weighted towards Qx but then I think people are more likely to check shove the river with air just hoping to fold hero off a chop which more than makes up for the times that he has Qx,66.

Board: Qc Qd 6d 6h Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.545% 43.64% 00.91% 24 0.50 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 55.455% 54.55% 00.91% 30 0.50 { 77+, AQs, KQs, Q9s+, AQo, KQo, Q9o+ }

seriously dude i have never even heard of anything close to someone checkraising an overbet on a board like this with air to move you off a chop, sorry but i guess i'm not going to believe it until i see it. i think his range for c/r the river, esp if we overbet, is pretty much Qx, maybe AA, but TT? zeebo theorem is no one folds a full house, not everyone jams a full house.

edit: and if he knows that no one folds a full house, would he really try to bluff in a spot where you so obviously have one?